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- From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
- Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
- Message-ID: <1993Jan01.185043.9483@microsoft.com>
- Date: 01 Jan 93 18:50:43 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corporation
- References: <1992Dec31.062146.6088@microsoft.com> <1hv22dINN4ie@hp-col.col.hp.com>
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- In article <1hv22dINN4ie@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
- >philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
- >> Your wife doesn't understand bisexuality. Not a bit. Bisexuality
- >> is not about getting laid more often, at least not for most people.
- >
- >I don't disagree; and I have no more of an understanding than she does.
- >All we have to pull from is our own experience, and whatever we happen
- >to read on the subject. My only (known) exposure has been in usenet...
-
- So noted, and understandable. As someone noted earlier, bisexuals
- are virtually invisible in our current society.
-
-
- >> What is an "active bisexual"? Is that any bisexual person that
- >> is sexually active, or only one that is sexually active with members
- >> of both genders at the same time?
- >
- >The 2nd.
-
- I don't agree with the definition, but let's work with it
- anyway, for the sake of argument.
-
-
- >> >It is the question of sexual monogamy.
- >> >Most people I know of think that marriage should be monogamous. Not that
- >> >it always is, but *should* be; we're talking an ideal.
- >>
- >> Most people also believe that marriage should be opposite-sex.
- >> So it seems like we're back to square one with this.
- >
- >Meaning? That there's no point in talking about it? (not a flame, just
- >missing your point.)
-
- I mean we're back to square one. If the argument is "more
- then 50% of the people don't believe it, therefore it shouldn't
- be taught," then this whole argument is futile - what you have
- is essentially a religious position, on which debate will
- be useless.
- Basically, though, if we're going to teach that same-sex
- families exist, we should also be teaching that families
- with more than two partners exist, because they do.
-
-
- >> >sexual *practice* and fidelity, along with orientation.
- >>
- >> If we're going to teach about different kinds of families,
- >> we may as well teach about them. Not all families have monogamous
- >> parents. Not all families have only two parents, either.
- >
- >So what exactly would the teaching on this subject include?
-
- How about "Heather has two mommies and a daddy?"
- Seriously, though, I'd like to see the curriculum get even
- more general. Something to the effect of "Families come in all
- shapes and sizes. Some don't have two parents - they might have
- one, or three, or four, or more. Some don't have a mommy and
- a daddy - they might have only a mommy, or only a daddy, or
- two mommies, or two daddies, or two mommies and a daddy, or
- two daddies and a mommy, etc etc etc" The individual examples
- are much less important than the general statement - not
- all familes are necessarily like the child's own.
-
-
- >> Once again - "Practice" has nothing to do with bisexuality.
- >> Bisexuality is a sexual identity just like heterosexuality is.
- >> You can be a celibate bisexual.
- >
- >maybe what we need is a better set of terms, that differentiate
- >better between orientation and practice.
-
- We do. They're called "orientation" and "practice". Bisexual,
- homosexual, heterosexual, without modifiers, all refer to orientation,
- not practice. You can be celibate and be any of the above.
-
-
- >> >So, looking at it that way, do you think (or anyone else who has an
- >> >opinion) that bisexuality should be brought up as well?
- >>
- >> It seems as valid as any other type of family. Why shouldn't
- >> it be brought up?
- >
- >How and at what age would you do it?
-
- The same age as the rest of the program. We're teaching about
- _families_, not about sex. Children can deal with the concept
- of multiple parents - they already do in the case of divorced
- children with remarried parents.
-
-
- >The main reason I would cite is that it conflicts with 'social norms' to
- >the degree (on sexual orientation *and* monogamy, if actively practiced)
- >that it would be either better left for older kids, or dealt with outside
- >the classroom.
-
- So if it differs from two societal norms, it shouldn't be
- taught, but if it differs on only one it's OK? How about teaching
- about polyamorous families in which all of the parents are
- heterosexual?
-
- -Phil
-
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- Note: Microsoft doesn't even _know_ that these are my opinions. So there.
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