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- From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
- Subject: Re: Sexuality
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.005415.883@lclark.edu>
- Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
- References: <1992Dec29.233922.2539@netcom.com> <1hqqm6INN3o0@hp-col.col.hp.com>
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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:54:15 GMT
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- In article <1hqqm6INN3o0@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
- >harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
- >>
- >> The difference between most
- >> straight people and myself is that I'm not afraid of or uncomfortable
- >> with sex. I overcame the "Sex is a horrible, dirty thing that you
- >> only share with the one you love" message that confuses most children
- >> in the U.S.
- >
- >I'm a little confused here. Most people don't think "Sex is a horrible, dirty thing".
- >On the other hand, you said you were monogamous; and then said "...that you
- >only share with the one you love" part. Are you only monogamous out of safety,
- >or are you monogamous out of love? Why do you feel monogamy is the right
- >thing to do?
-
-
- For me it is just a value that I have been brought up with ( I am not the
- original person you are asking this question of....my two cents.).
-
- I think the idea of a monogamous relationship is beautiful and it shows love
- and commitment to your partner.
-
- Most people don't have a healthy out look on sex....that is one reason we
- have so many sexually unsatisfied people out there...
-
-
- >
- >> Last I
- >> checked, the parents were supposed to be the ones responsible for the
- >> child in the first place. When did that change?
- >
- >Well, that's part of what ticks people off about the COTR issue; some
- >people in this forum (Tim Pierce?) said that if we, as parents, don't
- >do a good enough job of educating our kids that it is 'ok' to be gay,
- >then the school should do it for us, if we like it or not. It's the
- >fact that people want to *take away* that responsibility that has
- >people in an uproar.
-
-
- No....sex education was put into class because parents were doing nothing
- to teach their kids....kids were just as sexual then as now...Many social
- programs in school were instituted because parents weren't doing anything.
- (NOT ALL PARENT, but enough)
-
- As any teacher. They are there to teach school. Not worry about
- abused, starving, sexually assualted kids.....Those kids are in
- our school and someone has to try and help them. Most Christian groups
- don't address these issues...
-
- >
- >> However, removing all of these things from the school environment is
- >> impossible, and IMO, not the best solution anyway. Instead, we have
- >> to teach children (at home and in school) to feel free to have
- >> whatever views they (or their parents) wish, but to learn and
- >> understand that others don't necessarily share those views, and that
- >> they should not be persecuted for that reason.
- >
- >I'll buy that; everyone is a valuable person, and should be respected
- >as such, regardless if you agree with their lifestyle; I *strongly*
- >disagree with the Jehovahs Witnesses and they me; but I can be
- >friends with a JW, because we can *tolerate* the things about each
- >other that we don't *accept*. We can disagree strongly, and still
- >respect the other person. Unfortunately, from what I've read in USENET,
- >this is not the case for gay folks in general. I've seen articles saying
- >that if a friend can only 'tolerate' your homosexuality, and not accept
- >it as ok, then you shouldn't be their friend. I really think this
- >is too bad.
-
- My friends love me and visa versa....love me....visa versa....LOVE ME...
-
-
- >> In the case of sexuality, we must stop teaching by default that
- >> homosexuality and bisexuality is wrong.
- >
- >How does the school system teach that now? They don't teach it
- >at all. They may, by the typical examples of families used, teach
- >that a hetro family is 'normal', but that doesn't mean by default
- >that they teach a homosexual fmaily is wrong.
-
-
- What is normal.. White families? Two parent families? Who decides. They
- should be taught that people are very diverse......
-
- >
- >> kids this at home (or hand them off to the church like so many
- >> parents) that's fine by me. Just don't be surprised when their
- >> opinion is in the minority.
-
- Why don't you want to protect the minority? Maybe we should not
- help blacks or the starving....They are the minority in this country.
- Why should we help them???
-
-
- >
- >Well, first of all, I don't know *anyone* who just "hands their kids
- >over to the chuch". Nice but of anti-religious-slam, though. As for
- >their opinions being in the majority, I think the opposite is true.
- >I think the majority things homosexuality is not a 'good thing', but
- >also think that diversity should be tolerated, and people should not
- >be harassed or persecuted for it.
-
- The majority don't agree with homosexuality but do feel we should have
- equal rights.....
-
- >
- >Walter
- >
-
-
- Bil
-
-