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- From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
- Subject: Most Commercial Rave.
- Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:11:13 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.161115.9991@rose.com>
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- Date Entered: 12-24-92 11:08
- Quoted from: alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace)
- >
- > Wow, I found this on page B-1 of Today's (12-23-92) WALL STREET JOURNAL!
- > This one is so well publicized that it is written about BEFORE it happens
- > in a conservative newspaper on the other side of the continent.
- >
- > _____________________________________________________________________________
- > KNOTT'S BERRY SETS HOLIDAY JAM BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD STICK TO JELLY
- > By David J. Jefferson -- Staff Reporter for the journal
- >
- > Every trend-setter knows that once something hits the mass market,
- > its no longer hip. Take Peter Max. Disco. Junk Bonds.
-
- If this were a 'real' rave, I'd be worried.
-
- > So the avant-garde may have to give up "raves", huge, all-night
- > dance parties. Because on New Year's Eve, "K-Rave '93", a rave to end all
- > raves, will be held at Knott's Berry Farm, the Buena Park, Calif., theme
- > park that jelly built.
-
- If raves already are 'huge, all-night dance parties', wouldn't that
- mean they are a commercial success right now?
-
- > Heretofore, raves have been mostly underground affairs, often held
- > illegally in abandoned warehouses and other remote locations, and
- > attracting thousands of young people dressed in neo-hippie and faux-gang
- > garb. Rave revelers gyrate to lyricless computerized music called
- > "techno", drop amino acid in the form of vitamin-enriched "smart drinks",
- > and pop the occasional, illicit "ectasy" tablet. The atmosphere is equal
- > parts '60s psychedelia and '90s urban street culture: If rocker Grace
- > Slick and rapper Marky Mark got their friends together, it would be a rave.
-
- Hey, they forgot to mention the many other drugs you find at raves...
-
- He makes it sound like a rip-off of the 1960s Tim Leary days. Why
- can't we ever be given our OWN culture, our OWN identity? Everything
- is compared to what older generations did yesterday...
-
- > That's not at all what you would expect to find at Knott's, which
- > for years has shunned raucous New Year's revelry in favor of its
- > "Jubilation" evening of contemporary Christian music. But the devout have
- > been fewer in number, and Knott's needed a revenue-booster.
- > The Knott family was uncomfortable with the idea of letting
- > teenagers dressed like the Mad Hatter and go-go dancers invade the park,
- > but Dan Anderson, the 22 year-old great-grandson of founder Walter Knott
- > and a raver himself, convinced them that it could hold a rave sans the
- > seedier elements. "You don't have to worry about dirty lyrics, because
- > rave music has no lyrics," says Knott's spokesman Stuart Zanville.
-
- 'seedier elements'? Don't know about elsewhere, but in Toronto, the
- rave scene is dominated by friendly, non-violent people. This article
- seems to imply that they're attended by large gangs of scummy kids,
- all dressed like they came from an Alice in Wonderland show. And so
- Marky Mark is a raver now... ? huh?
-
- > Won't a Knott's Berry Farm rave be like a Muzak rendition of "Like
- > a Virgin"? Knott's doesn't think so. In keeping with the latter-day
- > Renaissance Faire flavor of other raves, Knott's will populate the park
- > with bizarre street performers: a snake charmer, tribal dancers, atheletes
- > on Stairmaster machines, Vegas-style showgirls riding Snoopy floats.
- > "We're juxtaposing elements in a surrealistic way," says Jeff Langley, a
- > one-time collaborator with feminist folk singer Holly Near and now Knott's
- > director of entertainment. He's hoping that "hokey becomes hip."
-
- Just because it will be surrealistic and have street performers does
- NOT mean it will be a legitimate rave. I don't really bother with
- raves that have highly publicized locations (unless its Chemistry 8).
- Would I go to this one? No... deffinately not. Don't call it a rave,
- call it a New Years Eve party with very little style.
-
- > The hip crowd may show up simply to poke fun. But Knott's will
- > have the last laugh: Each raver will have paid $27.50 to attend.
- >
-
- Try, 'the hip crowd simply won't show up for that crazy price'. After
- all, how are the psychotic, seedier elements supposed to pay for it?
- There should be guidelines set up to outline what is, and is not a
- rave.
-
- > _____________________________________________________________________________
-
-
- Just my opinion... (that article just pissed me off. Had to say
- SOMETHING about it.)
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