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- From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:58:40 GMT
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- In article <1hu6k2INNd09@network.ucsd.edu>, triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan
- Riley) writes:
- >> Zeleny, once again, demonstrates that the Greek discovery of the mind
- >>need not be permanent. It is quite possible to lose one's mind and default,
- >>as Ayn Rand noted, "[to] a miasma of floating abstractions unrelated to
- >>concretes....Reason [to those who won't reason] is a means of defeating their
- >>victims, a menial servant charged with the task of rationalizing the
- >>metaphysical validity and power of their whims [ontological commitments,
- >>assumptions]....When men do not choose to reach the conceptual level, their
- >>consciousness has no recourse [like a computer default] but to its automatic,
- >>perceptual, semi-animal functions." Zeleny symbolizes his semi-animal
- >>functions and calls it philosophy.
-
- >oh, please quote some more logical positivistic bullshit from a
- >philosophical nobody and call that philosophy. maybe there's an
- >alt.simplistic.answers.to.all.epistemological.issues you can post to
- >in future--i know there's a nifty little objectivist/randite/take
- >-phallus-in-hand-and-emit-reason group who'd be thrilled to discuss
- >'anthem' with you til you're blue in the face.
-
- SG Logical positivism?! Rand has been ignorantly or dishonestly accused of
- many philosophical sins but, at least to my knowledge, never before of logical
- positivism. For one thing, she denounces it as the claim "that man can be
- certain of nothing but the sensory perceptions of the immediate moment" and as
- the claim that "[science] is the creation of arbitrary constructs." The _Ency.
- of Philosophy_ describes LP as the claim that "The propositions of
- metaphysics...are neither true nor false..."
- What is your understanding of Objectivism and LP such that you think
- they are _basically_ similar? For the most part, opponents of Objectivism
- dislike its concern with metaphysics (any metaphysics). Is your rejection of
- Objectivism on a different basis? What could be a more basic difference than
- the Objectivist acceptance of meta. and the LP rejection of meta?!
- The only possibility i can guess at, and this is really a stretch, is
- that some consider LP as giving positive answers because of its acceptance of
- science.
-
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- "In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
- you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
- tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
- AYN RAND
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- Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
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