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- From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan
- Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:09:54 EST
- Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA
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- In article <1993Jan4.020504.1435@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu
- (Paul Ciszek) said:
-
- >I think the question being asked here, and I would also like to see it
- >answered, is if there is any evidence of Wicca existing before Gardner.
- >Family traditions are a separate issue, unless these traditions appear
- >to be related to Wicca.
-
- I think there is some slight evidence that the religion into which Gardner
- was initiated in 1939 actually existed for about ten years earlier, since
- about 1930: at any rate, I can construct a weak argument that Gardner's
- own Book of Shadows contained texts composed closer to 1930 than to 1940.
- See my postings from a week or two ago on ALT.MAGICK. However, I suspect
- this may not be precisely what you mean ...
-
- The term "Wicca (tm)," originally with one "c," seems to have been first
- used as the name of that religion by one of Doreen Valiente's high priests,
- known as "Ned." Originally, of course, it was a name for a kind of person
- (a witch), not the religion or system which that person might practice.
-
- As to the specific religion itself, apart from its Book of Shadows and
- apart from the name "Wicca," there is to the best of my knowledge NOT ONE
- authentic piece of documentary evidence for its existence before the 20th
- century.
-
- Witchcraft as a kind of magical practice did indeed exist, and can be docu-
- mented here and there rather well from the 16th century on in England and
- from the 17th century on in North America. This is not the same thing as
- a religion. Analogues can also be documented, say, for the German-speaking
- world, and one of them survives among the Pennsylvania Germans.
-
- The argument that we should not expect documentary evidence to survive for
- fear of persecution may be sound for the earlier centuries, but is NOT
- sound for the late 18th and the 19th century. A surprisingly large number
- of manuscripts of magical rituals do survive from these centuries, yet not
- one of them seems to reveal anything about Gardner-type witchcraft. How-
- ever, the fact that they have survived in the dozens shows that a similar
- kind of manuscript for Gardner-type witchcraft COULD have survived, had it
- ever existed.
-
- Moreover, my wife's family's own preservation of its "Book of Benjamin"
- from the 1840's (when it was written by her great great grandfather Ben-
- jamin as a legacy for his descendants) up to now, despite its rather off-
- beat religious teaching, shows that such a manuscript might have been
- written by some Gardner-type witch, had one really existed, in the same
- century, and might have survived until now. (To set the record straight,
- the "Book of Benjamin" is NOT a Book of Shadows, or even a book of magic.
- It begins with a year-by-year chronicle of its author's life, and then
- contains his essays on a variety of philosophical and religious matters.
- His views are extremely unorthodox and critical, much colored by Sweden-
- borgianism; despite his views, however, he worked regularly as a village
- schoolmaster in Maine, where he lived and farmed. He himself had about
- three years of formal schooling, which seems to have been enough to qualify
- him to keep school at that time, but was very widely read. His library
- has also come down in the family, and is full of books on religious mat-
- ters -- and not just from the perspective of Christianity, either.)
-
- The upshot of all this, I think, is that Gardner-type witchcraft CANNOT be
- viewed as having been handed down from one generation to the next since
- pre-Christian times in England. Rather, it is an attempt to *reconstruct*
- such a religion in the absence of a true unbroken tradition, on the basis
- of speculation, scholarship and fragmentary survivals in folk magic and
- folk ritual.
-
- This is NOT to say that such a pre-Christian religion might not have been
- handed down in secret in some isolated village in the North of England --
- Ann Ross claims to have found such an isolated village, but refuses to
- make its location widely known, so one cannot judge for oneself --, but
- only that Gardner-type witchcraft is not THAT religion (though it might
- approximate it, if the reconstruction was skillful), and was not DIRECTLY
- descended from that religion in any way that has left traces which a
- scholar might use to prove such descent beyond question.
-
- This is hardly a complete answer to the question that inspired it, but it
- may serve to clear away some of the underbrush ...
-
-
-
- Robert Mathiesem, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM
-