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- From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
- Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.075513.6831@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
- References: <1993Jan1.193145.26607@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:55:13 GMT
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- george_paap@email.sps.mot.com (George Paap) writes:
-
- ... delided ...
-
- : In article <1993Jan1.094502.17764@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> bill nelson,
- : billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com writes:
- : > : In fact, I'm glad that we don't have a "bible" which locks in
- : > : words "the right way to do things" or the "proper" beliefs. I
- : >
- : > Ah, but some do. Ever heard of a BOS? Some people follow them
- : > very precisely - no variation allowed.
- : Actually no, what is it and what do they believe?
-
- It stands for "Book of Shadows". I am uncertain of the origin of
- the term. Some feel that it was not invented by Gardner. What it
- is is a text of dogma/history etc for the sect/group. Not all such
- groups will have such a text - nor are the contents identical, or
- even necessarily similar. Some groups follow the rituals/rules in
- such a book very closely. Others use the text as a sourcebook.
-
- : In article <1993Jan1.094502.17764@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> bill nelson,
- : billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com writes:
- : > I just believe that a person should be able to document their
- : > claims. If they state that they have a family "tradition" that
- : > goes back generations, then they should be able to prove it.
- :
- : What if it is an oral tradition? Is not that also valid?
- : (since it was the predominent means of history for most
- : people, ie ROOTS was an oral history, therefore
- : invalid [I'm making a general arguement here, not with
- : Bill's opinions])
-
- Normally, I would agree. However, our society has been fairly
- literate for quite a few years. It would be highly unlikely
- that someone did not write extensively about their religion
- during the last century. Note that I am talking about a
- religion, not mysticism or belief in spirits etc.
-
- : As far as evidence and documents, all it takes is one
- : family member to decide "this is EVIL" and throw it
- : all in the trash. What you really want (speaking
- : directly to Bill) is an *unbroken* family tradition
- : which is documented reaching back to the 18th or 19th
- : century. It's 1992 and we [most of us on the net] still
- : live in a highly Judeo-Christian society which regards our
- : thoughts as EVIL (which, after my conversion, is translated
- : THREAT), how likely is this really?
-
- Nope. All I want is something that goes back to the earlier
- parts of this century - prior to around 1950. I would say,
- if such traditions existed, that it would be highly likely
- that such documentation would exist.
-
- ... delided ...
-
- : My head is pounding, so I think its time I leave.
- : The bottom line is if you (Bill) want evidence, you are
- : probably going to have to go out and research it yourself.
-
- I, and many others much better at research than I am, have
- done so, for many years.
-
- : You could probably even write a pretty authoritarian text
- : (I wish I had the time, this lack of time really sucks), get
- : it published, and make a bit of money. How may scholars are
- : out there looking at history from a pagan perspective? My hope
- : is that it is growing, and that one day we can read nice, dry,
- : inoffensive academic articles on the historical archeological basis of
- : our beliefs, but it will be while. This is a movement in its infancy for
- : most people (myself included).
-
- Yep. Fortunately, people are starting to write valid stuff about
- paganism and Witchcraft - not the bull that has been written over
- the last 30 years by the "wish it were so" crowd.
-
- Bill
-