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- From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
- Subject: Re: Faggots and witches (again)
- References: <1992Dec22.194238.16593@netcom.com> <ZeR0VB3w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:32:30 GMT
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- donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:
-
- >barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry) writes:
-
- >> In article <1992Dec22.175528.3934@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Al
- >> >This is in a footnote from Robin Morgan "Going Too Far", in chapter
- >> >"Politics of Sado-Masochistic Fantasies". (P235 paperback ed.):
- >> >
- >> >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- >> >... By calling _themselves_ "faggots," they affirm those homosexual
- >> >males persecuted in the Middle Ages: "When a woman was to be burned
- >> >as a witch, men accused of homosexuality were bound and mixed
- >> >with the bundles of kindling (faggots) at the feet of the witch,
- >> >and set of fire 'to kindle a flame foul enough for a witch to burn
- >> >in.' So the enemy has always seen that strong women and gentle men
- >> >are a real threat to masculine domination." This quote is from
- >> >Double-F, A Magazine of Effeminism...
- >> >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- >> >
- >> >Can any of you confirm or deny this further?
- >>
- >> Sure. It's complete and unadulterated bullshit. No surprise,
- >> coming from Morgan.
- >>
- >> Kayembee
-
- > Oh really? That is interesting, as I have heard this quote before. It
- >was attributed to a Bishop or Cardinal, and he was writing advice on how
- >to burn witches. He wrote that homosexuals should be used in the
- >building of the pyre, for only such men could "kindle a flame foul
- >enough for a witch to burn in". As to Morgan's conclusion that the
- >Church viewed Witches and Homosexuals with such hate because they feared
- >strong women and gentle men is just about dead on.
- > With so much flaming going on in this newsgroup, we hardly need the
- >kind of flip homophobic ember you tossed in above.
-
- Um, Donal, what is homophobic about Kayembee's statement? I'm decidedly
- Queer, and I tend to suspect that the line from Morgan is bullshit. I've seen
- it before, and I've yet to see any reasonable source for it. Please find the
- name of the bishop/cardinal, and the document in which this appeared. Please
- cite it, with the author's name, the title of the docuemnt, the date of writing,
- etc. for the newsgroup. Then, I will consider that it might not be bullshit.
-
- Enjoy the journey!
- --Br'anArthur
- Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
-
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