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- From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
- Subject: Re: Messianic Judaism (inter-marriage)
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:56:26 GMT
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- In article <921217112847.28804f53@ALF.CS.HH.AB.COM> abvax!ALF.CS.HH.AB.COM!BENNING writes:
- ]]Subject: Re: Messianic Judiasm
- ]]From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
- ]
- ]]]The idea of MJ sounded quite ridiculous to me when I first heard about it.
- ]
- ]]..[deleted text...] They spend millions of dollars to keep these fronts
- ]]going simply so they can fulfill their goal of helping Jews see the
- ]]light of their savior. In general, they target the Jewishly ignorant
- ]]and the psychologically vulnerable (the later a tactic frquently used
- ]]by cults). It takes little more than a third grade Jewish education to
- ]
- ] Have you used enough BUZZ words? FRONT; JEWISHLY IGNORANT; PSYCHOLOGICALLY
- ] VULNERABLE; CULT...
- ] The typical SCARE Tactics propaganda of the uninformed and prejudice.
- ]
- ] First, this continued rumor that Messianic Judaism targets Jewishly
- ] ignorant and psychologically people is incorrect.
-
- ] We target sinners, first those who are Jewish and then the Gentiles.
-
- That's part of the proof that you're not Jewish. We don't look at the
- people around us as "sinners" who need to be "saved". That's
- Christian, not Jewish.
-
- ] Yes, we welcome those who are unable to cope, and those who you would
- ] call Jewishly IGnorant. But then I guess they have no room in Your house
- ] of worship. Just as Yeshua went to the needy, so do we. Just as Yeshua
- ] has compassion for sinners in need of God, so do we.
-
- Ah. And real Jews have no compassion. Yea, right...
-
- I've never known a Jewish synagogue to turn anyone away. I've never
- met a Rabbi who won't help a person in need.
-
- We just don't live under the assumption that everyone else in the
- world needs our help to be "saved". We believe that people are judged
- solely on the basis of their actions during their lifetime, and that
- everyone, regardless of whether they are Jewish or not have the
- potential to do more good than harm. We don't assume that everyone is
- automatically doomed on the basis of some taint that they're born
- with. We don't believe that people need any intermediary to "save" them.
-
- ] Of course, you and your type would never stoop so low to help out those
- ] in the above category. B-)
-
- We don't believe in the existence of your supposed category. As I said
- before, no Jewish synagogue and no Jewish Rabbi would turn away anyone
- who came to them for help. We just don't believe that it's right to assume
- that everyone is so dark and evil, and that we have all the answers.
-
- ] To label this mighty work of God a cult shows how far removed you really
- ] are from the heart of the Lord.(IMHO)
-
- The tactics used the MJ's are very cultic.
-
- ]]]Has anyone heard any statistics on this? Having thought about it
- ]]]for awhile, I admit I still find it completely ridiculous, but I am
- ]]]not surprised to hear that it is growing. Almost none of my Jewish
- ]]]friends and family have married in the faith and, while none of them
- ]]]have shared with me their solution to the infamous how-do-we-raise-the-
- ]]]children enigma, MJ seems like the only religion on earth capable of
- ]]]supporting both traditions (sort of, that is).
- ]
- ]]Messianic (messy-antic) "Judaism," "Jews for Jesus," and other Jewish
- ]]cults are far more likely to be of no use in this dilemma.
- ]
- ] WRONG. In Cleveland, the Messianic Congregation has been very beneficial
- ] in helping intermarried couples find a working solution in raising the
- ] children. I have two children who are currently involved.
- ] I guess you could say we also minister to this demographic group.
- ] (besides the others you appear to have left out of the club house.)
-
- The solution that you find for them is Christianity. Pretending that
- it is anything else is a lie. You aren't mixing the traditions; you're
- taking Christianity, and pretending to observe one or two Jewish
- holidays in order to lie, and say that you aren't REALLY Christian,
- even though it's obvious that you are.
-
- The Reform and Reconstructionist communities also have outreach
- programs for Intermarried couples who want to raise their children
- Jewish. If the couple doesn't want to come to the Jewish community for
- help, that's their choice. We don't believe that it's right for us to
- force ourselves on them.
-
- <MC>
-
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- || Mark Craig Carroll: <MC> || "Humanity isn't a physical description,
- || Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| it's a spiritual goal. It's not something
- || Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || you're given, it's something you earn."
- || carroll@udel.edu || - _One_, by Richard Bach
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