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- From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Magick Theory
- Message-ID: <72813@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 11:23:37 PST
- Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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- 93!01.03 e.v.
-
- I wrote:
-
- My REAL challenge here, however is regarding your use of the word 'Will'
- and how the mage 'decides' to follow it. Who chooses this 'Will'?
- Does the mage REALLY have a choice to follow the Will when it is so
- painful and unsatisfying NOT to do so? Aren't the 'laws of nature'
- (so called) really a system of requirement with perilous penalties
- for those who attempt to oppose them? Aren't we trapped like rats
- in cages, straining desperately to save our faces by 'choosing' to
- act according to this Will which punishes us for attempting not to
- do so?
-
- (evil grin)
-
-
- Ladislas replied:
-
- Let me answer your challenge with a few questions: have you ever asked
- yourself why you're alive, why you were born? Wouldn't you say that you
- were born because you Willed it or do you think you had no choice in the
- matter? Do you always keep away from that which you know might harm you?
-
-
-
- Response:
-
- I have asked myself these questions, yes.
-
- I don't think that there IS an absolute answer there. Having searched
- valiantly for this 'I', it continually appears as a convention of social
- communications, rather than anything substantial. Then again, there does
- seem to be SOMETHING here, making these characters appear upon this
- screen.
-
- I don't believe in 'free will', by the way. I have been taught that
- there are things which 'harm' this body. Often when these actions are
- taken there comes with it an intense pain. Having learned quite quickly
- that pain is something best avoided, it has only been recently that I've
- discovered value in withstanding pain in the pursuit of discipline.
- Beyond this there is little value to be found in it, though it may
- well be a gradually more recurrent phenomenon in my lifetime, and I do
- feel like it is less traumatic each time I encounter it directly.
-
- So no, I don't keep away from all pain, but what does this have to do
- with 'Will', choice and a feeling of 'motivation'?
-
-
- Thyagi
-