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- From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Re: Magic and Morals (was: Re: Harish)
- Date: 31 Dec 1992 20:37:55 GMT
- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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- In article <1hvf0nINNk8m@uwm.edu> hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
- >
- >But, is there any way to separate the mechanics of magick from its
- >application? I can't imagine how you can. --and that being said
- >we're left with thelema. Absolute and purely relative.
-
-
- Huh? Maybe I'm missing the point, but it seems to me that mechanics
- and application (perhaps "means and ends" might be a more generally
- applicable phrasing) can be distinguished fairly clearly in this case
- as in many others. Of course they affect one another...but the same
- thing is true of me and the terminal I'm using just now, two quite
- distinguishable things. (At least in terms of the world of ordinary
- consciousness!)
-
- The mechanics of magic, at least as I understand them, are a set of
- processes and disciplines for transforming consciousness -- things
- like concentration, visualization, symbolic/ritual action, and so on.
- Once learned, these could be used for any purpose you care to imagine,
- and some you probably don't...
-
-
- >The problem with these questions is simple: ethics depends for
- >justification on reason and reason is, by definition, finally
- >incapable (on its own) of achieving an initiated point of view. See
- >William Blake. ;-)
-
-
- On the other hand, see Plotinus, whose initiated point of view (the
- source of a pretty fair majority of the Western esoteric tradition)
- was squarely founded on a rational dialectic, and who insisted on the
- study of dialectical logic as the way to mystical awareness...
-
- (There's a fairly precise Hindu equivalent of this in Jnana-yoga; I
- believe the Tibetan Buddhists also teach something of the sort.)
-
- There's still a lot of Romanticism flapping around in esoteric circles
- -- probably a holdover from the agonizingly Gothicke milieu of Bulwer-
- Lytton and his ilk. Yes, there are ways of attaining whatever-term-you-
- want-to-use which dispense with reason, and there are also ways which
- make use of it; take your pick. (Or combine them, which seems a little
- more productive to me...)
-
- Feeling more than usually pedantic,
-
- -- John Michael Greer
- grimoire@u.washington.edu
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