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- From: rjb@carson.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
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- Subject: Re: My answers (was Re: ... Definitions of "evil")
- Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:35:37 GMT
- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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- Thyagi took my point and ran with it...
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- The term "black magic" can have an ethical or moral interpretation (in
- terms of unacceptable ends or means); it can also have what I suppose
- could be called an esthetic or (forgive my language) psychological
- interpretation, in terms of activities or intentions that are somehow
- "gothic," that explore The Sinister, The Ominous, The Shadow (etc).
-
- It is true that evil (ethically/morally unacceptable) acts and
- shadow (ominous, sinister, or distasteful) acts are not always
- different -- but the same can can be said of evil acts and what we
- might call daylight (comfortable, proper, and tasteful) acts.
-
- There are of course people who equate daylight and good -- and others
- who (perhaps reacting against the first sort) simply equate daylight with
- evil (ethically unacceptable, remember, in terms of the distinctions
- I've been working with). But the profusion of counterexamples to
- both of these moves makes any automatic link between the two categories
- hard to support. (Not impossible, of course.)
-
- I cannot see that there is any simple set of rules that will get from
- one set of categories to the other. In other words, knowing how an action
- is situated in the ethical realm doesn't mean that one can automatically know
- how it will be situated in the esthetic realm, or vice versa.
-
- Some day, when I have more time to fiddle with things, I'll post Machen's
- discussion of this point (from the frame story to "The White People").
-
- The technical (magical) question is this: what is the precedence
- relationship between these two realms for a practitioner? (This
- question can be read descriptively or prescriptively!) Does (or can
- or should) one take (on some or all occasions) precedence over the other?
- Or are they independent (disjunct)?
-
- Thus one might say that ethical considerations are primary: that although
- unethical activities might lead effectively to magical or mystical states,
- ethical considerations should take precedence. Or, one might say that
- esthetic or experiential considerations are primary: that even a great
- crime is holy if it leads to God, and that the magical or spiritual
- context takes precedence. Or one might say that they are disjunct, that
- the mystical or magical attainment should be recognized, and the crime
- dealt with by the secular arm. We might, for convenience, give these
- attitudes the names Classical, Romantic, and Modern, respectively.
-
- Consider, then, some magical Jeffrey Dahmer (whose love, sweet love, was
- called a crime), with a fridge full of mandrake roots and holy celtic
- heads. Which perspective seems most (as they say) appropriate?
-
- Casuistically,
-
- --LeGrand
-
- {Does it seem that the Classical and Modern fall into one group, and the
- Romantic into another? Would a Thelemic perspective be totally
- different, or would it be a subset of the Romantic? Or could a Thelemic
- perspective be either Roimantic or Modern?}
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