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- From: lewchuk@cs.UAlberta.CA (Michael Lewchuk)
- Subject: Re: Orcs in the Last Alliance
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- Keywords: Ents, trees, dwarves, Silmarillion
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:48:22 GMT
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- bafta@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (dragon-monster) writes:
- >You are incorrect in assuming that Ents are trees. They were no more
- >trees than dwarves were rocks. This is outlined in the Silmarillion
- >where it states that Aule made the dwarves, and Yavanna made the
- >"shepherds of the trees", and proclaimed that they would never get along.
-
- Strange. In LoTR, Fangorn specifically states that Huorns are becoming
- Entish and Ents are becoming Huornish all the time: that sentient Ents were
- losing their sentience and subsentient Huorns were becoming more sentient.
- Furthermore, there seems to be no distinction between "Ent", "Huorn" and
- "tree", other than Ents are sentient, Huorns are subsentient, and trees
- are non-sentient (and immobile). Perhaps there is a distinction between
- Ent and Tree that is not present in LoTR, but there seems to be none between
- Huorn and Ent.
-
- Tolkien himself describes Ents as, well, tree-people. They had tree-limbs and
- tree-leaves and stuff like that. Dwarves are, of course, not rock-people.
- They didn't have rock-skin or rock-hair or such. But Ents had tree features
- and looked like trees when they were still. I know they weren't "tree" trees
- in that they had "legs" and "arms" but in all other respects they were,
- essentially, of tree biology just as we humans are of the same basic biology
- as monkeys in particular and land mammals in general.
-
- Of course the Simlarillion and LoTR could easily be contradictory....
-
- Michael Lewchuk
- lewchuk@cs.UAlberta.CA
-