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- From: dzik@access.digex.com (Joseph Dzikiewicz)
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- Subject: Re: Eowyn
- Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:45:53 GMT
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- In article <lewchuk.725049263@therien> lewchuk@cs.UAlberta.CA (Michael Lewchuk) writes:
- >Another point: ever notice how widowers (Theoden, Denethor) who don't
- >have any intention of "marrying and settling down" are all killed off?
-
- Hmm, take Elrond as a counter-example. Or Frodo. Or Bilbo.
- Or Treebeard, for that matter
- (though he would be happy to settle down if an entwife presented herself).
-
- I think you're reading too much into two isolated examples.
- >
- >To run
- >from evil in terror was shown to be a failing, such as Frodo's lack of
- >will at Weathertop, the fate of Frodo and Sam at Cirith Ungol,
-
- I don't get this last one. Are you talking about running from Shelob?
- But that didn't happen: Frodo never saw her coming and Sam ran at her.
- Are you talking about Sam's hiding from the orcs who took Frodo away?
- That wasn't lack of will, it was lack of knowledge that Frodo was alive.
- Are you talking about Sam and Frodo fleeing from the tower of Cirith
- Ungol after getting past the watchers? That seems like the height of
- wisdom. I hardly think they would have gained by hanging around waiting
- for a Nazgul, and I don't think Tolkien is saying that they should do
- so.
-
- >I don't think he's reading way too much in. It is clear that Galadriel
- >does defer to Celeborn. Whether he does this through deferrence or through
- >wisdom is not clear.
-
- You ever notice how much the marriage of Galadriel to Celeborn resembles
- the marriage of Melian to Thingol? In both cases, the man seems to talk
- first, but the woman talks wisest.
-
- And remember, Galadriel spent a lot of time in Doriath in the first age.
- In fact, that's where she met Celeborn, who was a kinsman to Thingol.
- Maybe she picked up a thing or two on domestic relations from Melian...
-
- (Come to think of it, I see parallels to this in my own marriage. Now
- if only I could figure out whether my wife once spent time in Doriath
- or Lorien...)
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