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- From: lewchuk@cs.UAlberta.CA (Michael Lewchuk)
- Subject: Re: Eowyn
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:00:46 GMT
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- Hm.... Too much to quote so I'll just state some stuff...
-
- Personally I was of the opinion that the warrior was a dying occupation in
- the War of the Ring: both literal death and eventual obsolescence because,
- bluntly, there was nobody to fight after the War was over.
-
- Eowyn could have continued as a warrior-princess. And did what? Challenged
- Shelob in a battle to the death? Gone orc-hunting in Mordor? There was
- no real "enemy" left after the War was over.
-
- As Faramir states, Eowyn has already "won great renown", and is accepted
- as an honorable warrior in her own right. I fail to see why it is accepted
- that she "abandoned her challenge to social norms". In effect, she made this
- challenge and it was accepted: she was not regarded as just a royal servant
- girl anymore. Why did she have to take it up as a "profession" for her
- "challenge" to be valid?
-
- Tolkien also has some opinions stronger than male/female. The war/peace issue
- is one of them. The trend is more "after war, we settle down". Eowyn was
- part of a general trend of settling down, therefore her statement is not
- unusual. After the War, Aragorn took over the Kingship and started giving
- rewards to soldiers and pardons to his enemies.
-
- In other words, I agree about the male/female "roles" but I fail to see why
- you think that Eowyn "chickened out". Tolkien made it very clear that she
- did not *want* to fight in battles, thus having her continue to be a war
- maiden would probably lead to the statement "and Eowyn was miserable to the
- end of her days". She was brave and competent, but lacked the blood-lust
- that her brother, Eomer, had.
-
- Ever consider that one of the few brave things one can do is give up one's
- pride in one's omniscience (I'm doing this therefore it must be right) for
- a better life? In this, Eowyn faced a much greater opponent: her own ego.
- I find that her statement "would you say "here comes one who tamed a wild
- shieldmaiden of the North"" is invalid: Faramir did not tame her; she
- finally understood (and thus tamed) herself. She gave up killing and being
- miserable for a better life with Faramir.
-
- By the way, remember that Tolkien's characters are very human as he writes
- them: to take anything they say as fact is not reasonable. You have to
- remember that characters can be misinformed or emotionally aroused enough
- to not use reason. You have to take Eowyn's statements with a grain of salt
- since she is making them under duress (except for her chat with Merry). Love
- and depression do not make a good basis for rational conversation.
-
- Michael Lewchuk
- lewchuk@cs.UAlberta.CA
-