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- From: mcconnel@mcs.kent.edu (Mike McConnell)
- Subject: Re: Where do orcs go upon dying?
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:47:39 GMT
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- In article <1h1kenINNutg@sumax.seattleu.edu>, davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat) writes:
- |>
- |> Morgoth was never "killed." The Valar always took him alive
- |> in the pits of whatever dungeon he was trapped in. He was captured alive,
- |> tried, and hurled in the fastness of Mandos. Whereas, Sauron and Saruman
- |> were killed in actuality - Sauron killed twice, really, when his body was
- |> destroyed in Numenor during the Downfall and again when Elendil and gil-Galad
- |> slew him in front of the Black Tower. However, because the One Ring was imbued
- |> with so much of his power and will, so long as it lasted Sauron also survived,
- |> and could take on a new shape. Upon destruction of the Ring, this, the greater
- |> part of his essence, was destroyed and Sauron perished in reality. Saruman,
- |> of course, was slain outright by Wormtongue.
- |>
- |>
- |>
- |> David L. Yee
- |> email to:davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu
- Doesn't
- Doesn't Gandalf surmise that if the ring is destroyed, Sauron will become only
- a relatively powerless evil, lurking in shadows, unable to take any form. I
- always thought that this would be the fate of Saruman's spirit as well.
-
- Mike McConnell
- Dept of Mathematics
- Kent State Univesity
-