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- From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
- Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
- Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
- Date: 30 Dec 92 11:58:45
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- In-reply-to: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu's message of Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:59:24 GMT
-
- Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
- |>Just two months ago, the Boston
- |>branch of the Federal Reserve Bank completed a study of loan
- |>applications where they used all *39* official attributes that lending
- |>institutions use to evaluate potential lendees and found that with all
- |>things being equal, Blacks and Hispanics were less likely than their
- |>White counterparts to get a loan.
-
- |Any hints as to where this study's results were published? Given
- |the recent study of over 5.3 million mortgage applications did
- |not yield any cases of racial bias, why the funding of another study?
- |Maybe to come up the the "right" results this time? Anyway, could
- |"less likely" be quantified? Maybe the confidence interval could
- |be given (surely the study producers know what a confidence interval
- |is)?
-
- I read about this particular study in the Boston Globe. Why don't you
- try calling and asking about it? I'm sure they'll help you. I also
- recall reading about it in the New York Times.
-
- |>This was the first study of its kind to use all these 39 attributes.
- |And how were they used?
-
- To your chagrin apparently.
-
- |>Prior studies simply used income and value of a home (they tended to
- |>study mortgages).
-
- |"Simply", good description given that a $500,000 income was considered
- |the same as a $50,000 income.
-
- Can you document this or are you making it up?
-
- |>In short, you are completely wrong. In fact, your assertion that
- |>"they cooked the data to introduce a racial bais, one that poor Blaks
- |>receive fewer loans than wealthy Caucasians" is painfully false. Even
- |>the early studies controlled for wealth and assets.
-
- |What else would you call this "liberal" use of the term "same income"?
-
- A figment of your imagination?
-
- |>And since the
- |>reports I've seen and/or read about have always gone to great pains to
- |>show this, I am forced to wonder whether you are either completely
- |>insane, purposefully ignorant and/or intentionally lying.
-
- |I must wonder whether you think 500,000 is the same as 50,000 or
- |whether you think it is the same when it serves the cause.
-
- No they are not the same. Thanks for playing, Terry.
- --
- Peace.
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- rather than one of its members, it no longer has
- any responsibility to help you."
- - Kyle Baker, Why I Hate Saturn
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