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- From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
- Newsgroups: alt.child-support
- Subject: Re: I HAD NO CHOICE ( was: Biological reaso
- Message-ID: <87PcwB2w165w@dogear.spk.wa.us>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 18:50:42 GMT
- References: <1992Dec26.150812.11599@ll.mit.edu>
- Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
- Lines: 84
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- yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
-
- > > Our current social policy, agrieving every perceived injustice by enacting
- > >more restrictive laws in the name of equality and fairness is the most
- > >powerful drain and downward spiral of social stability. [Jon]
-
- It's kind of interesting to read your comments, Jon. A great deal of
- the anger and dissatisfaction comes from the Emotional Abuses you've
- suffered at the hands of your ex and the system. For you to assault
- the very concept that would disallow that type of damage in the
- future is, well, interesting to say the least.
-
- If you'd understood that my comments don't defend on a gender basis,
- but on a PERSON basis (as I said fairly clearly), you might be of a
- different mind.
-
- The problems with the system aren't all against men, they aren't a
- collection of solely feminist issues, and reach a lot further out
- than simply the litigants in a divorce.
-
- Yes, there's financial harm, but the damages don't just stop there,
- they reach into a very large group of associated people, and the
- most significant devastation is via Emotional Abuse. I tried to
- show you this by explaining about my young client. I was, to say
- the least, disappointed that you felt so little. But then, look at
- what's happened to you, and look at what it's done to you. Emotional
- Abuse is very real --the clear majority of posts here reek of it.
-
- > Very well put. The problem which you very eloquently describe
- > is the same problem that is magnified in the family court.
-
- Perpetrated by it, Alan. Not magnified, perpetrated. With very few
- exceptions, all who go into the courts are victimized. Men, women,
- children, relatives, friends, business associates... ad nauseum.
-
- > It's so interesting how litigants in a courtroom come out
- > owing penalties orders of magnitude greater than what any
- > reality would suggest; weather family court, or otherwise.
-
- Criminal and (non-family) civil cases do MUCH better. But your point
- is valid. The system is based on anything but reality, favors some
- sides --but not on a solely gender basis.
-
- For a moment, try to picture this:
-
- The system encourages woman 'A' to go to court and take advantage of
- every means to "punish" the man she's divorcing. The animosity between
- the two parting spouses goes up a magnitude of magnitudes. The kids are
- sucked into side-taking, extended families are --hell, even friends
- take sides. The level of hate is phenomenal. The victory is relativley
- short lived. In a lot of ways, the pain created by this reaches much
- further than the 20-odd years of child support. It affects all, and
- causes a paradigm shift in approaches to relationships. People jump on
- the bandwagon --as our society is wont to do. (Look at any election).
-
- The court sets up a serious wall between the parties. Now, the man gets
- pissed, starts punishing by avoiding support. He does it to 'hurt back,'
- or does it because he can't face what he's left with, nor can he face
- what he's lost in terms of relationship(s) with his kids. If he pays,
- he does so sporadically.
-
- The kid needs money to pay the expenses of living, but isn't getting it.
- So mom asks the state for help. She isn't on welfare, so the state isn't
- very interested in helping. Instead, they're focusing on recovering AFDC
- dollars for their own coffers.
-
- Mom goes back to court, this time even more viscious than before, and the
- process starts all over again.
-
- This is just one of the many scenarios invoked by the system --there are
- others (villians change, victims change). So the situation gets worse
- and worse. In it's wisdom, the system reacts so that we hear shortsighted
- bozos saying "I believe we need an even more draconian system of child
- support collection. I really do." And the beat goes on...
-
- Emotional abuse takes on epidemic proportions. Women are hurt, men are
- hurt, kids are hurt. The very fabric of society is damaged by it all.
- Emotional abuse is not just some divorce claim made by women in a made
- for tv movie. It is real, it hurts, and hurts to the degree that some-
- times it kills.
-
- ---
- Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
- Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
-