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- From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: [news.admin.policy] MN.Org, umn.edu, and anatolia, was Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ
- Message-ID: <C08z5B.Iu0@cs.uiuc.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:15:10 GMT
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- [A repost - Carl]
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- From: clay@haapi.mn.org (Clayton Haapala)
- Subject: MN.Org, umn.edu, and anatolia, was Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:53:20 GMT
- Message-ID: <C08sKx.5vH@haapi.mn.org>
-
- Both Umn.edu and MN.Org have been tarred by the Argic brush. As the
- Mail Admin for MN.Org, I feel I should add to what Mr. Iacovou posted
- a bit ago, some of which is quoted below:
-
- In article <iacovou.725924649@gurney> iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) writes:
- >In <C06782.IEC@ns1.nodak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Nikola Malenovic) write
- >s:
- >
- >>(*) Serdar Argic(tm), sera@zuma.UUCP is a trademark of zuma UUCP brought to
- >>you courtesy of anatolia.mn.org an Minnesota (umn.edu) affiliate.
- >
- > Please, anatolia.mn.org is NOT sponsored by the University of Minnesota.
- > The owner of the site is a student at the University, but we do NOT feed
- > his site. The opinions voiced in the e-mail/news postings which originate
- > from anatolia.mn.org are NOT necessarily those of the University of
- > Minnesota proper.
- >
- [...]
- > Let me try to clarify the relationships between the UofMn, the .mn.org
- > domain, anatolia.mn.org, and Ahmet Cosar.
- >
- > Ahmet Cosar is a graduate student at the CSci dept. of the UofMn. He
- > operates a site by the name of anatolia.mn.org. The site anatolia.mn.org
- > is a member of .mn.org. The domain .mn.org exists because it provides
- > services to a number of hobbyests and small companies around the state of
- > Minnesota.
- >
-
- Here is an excerpt from a little info blurb we send out to prospective
- MN.Org members:
-
- Draft revision of 1992-04-22.
-
- In 1987 several Minnesota Unix enthusiaists set out to establish the first
- Internet Domain Park in the world, the MN.ORG domain park. This experiment
- was a success. In late 1991 / early 1992, the Unix Users of Minnesota (UUM)
- user group assumed responsibility for the operation of the MN.ORG domain park,
- adding capacity and stability to this already powerful resource. Many of your
- electronic "neighbors" have chosen to join the Minnesota domain park and claim
- their place in the world network community. We invite you to do the same.
-
- [end of excerpt]
-
- It should be stressed again that MN.Org consists of many INDEPENDENT
- sites, some of whom are hobbyists, some consultants, some small
- businesses, etc. We number over 90 sites, these days. Many MN.Org
- members have been or are students at umn.edu, and there is a cordial,
- cooperative relationship between MN.Org and the good folks at the U.
- In the past year, with the help of several donor vendors, MN.Org now
- has its own Internet gateway and is providing its own Nameservice,
- with some umn.edu machines now providing a backup or secondary
- function on our behalf.
-
- So, Umn.edu does not oversee MN.Org operations, nor is it responsible
- for MN.Org activities, except that it may cut off the backup services
- if it disagrees with something we do, of course.
-
- What about anatolia.mn.org? As of the middle of next week, anatolia
- will not longer be part of MN.Org. From purely a resource standpoint,
- MN.Org cannot provide the class of service necessary to support a site
- that regularly attracts 9-Meg mail bombs. (May all bombers rot in a
- special level of Hell, with only BITNET access or something.) From an
- administrative standpoint, actions by or supported by site anatolia
- have brought down universal discord from the Net community and this
- has reflected badly (and unjustly) on Umn.Edu and the rest of the
- sites in MN.Org. I believe these are reasons enough for expulsion.
- You other Admin folks out there know how difficult it is to go through
- something like this and come out of it with a white hat on.
-
- I post this article in the hopes that it clarifies some things
- involved with this whole Argic/anatolia thing, and helps untarnish
- the reputations of MN.Org and Umn.Edu. You may direct further
- questions or comments to me at "mailadm@mn.org".
-
- Regards,
-
- Clayton Haapala, Mail Admin for the MN.Org Domain Park
- mailadm@mn.org
-
- +1 612-542-9647 (you'll likely get an answering machine -- Email would
- be better)
- --
- Clay Haapala "Behold the Holy Pogo Stick"
- clay@haapi.mn.org
- --
- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
- = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
-