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- From: jpalmer@onetouch.COM (John Palmer)
- Subject: Re: Quantum (and untutored Zen) and Beliefs (was Re: Absolutes)
- Organization: MCS/OneTouch, Inc.
- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:29:15 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec18.182915.19597@onetouch.COM>
- References: <1992Dec03.224051.12686@onetouch.COM> <1992Dec5.213703.10864@data-io.com> <1992Dec07.223803.4006@onetouch.COM>,<1992Dec10.223721.4614@data-io.com> <1govt3INN2cl@gap.caltech.edu>
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- lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
-
- >>The existance or inexistance of God is one of those questions. By some
- >>attitudes it *must* be true or it *must* be false, it cannot be both. By
- >>my argument, since it cannot be proven, then both those who believe it is
- >>true are as valid as those who believe it is false. In essense, each
- >>belief is as true as the other.
-
- >I don't agree with your substitution of "true" for "valid." I've just flipped
- >a coin, and haven't checked to see which way it somes up. Now, were I to
- >believe it came up heads, and you were to believe it came up tails (rather than
- >both of us doing the reasonable thing and simply admitting that we don't know),
- >both beliefs would be invalid, in that there's no basis for either of them. In
- >that sense, they'd both be equally valid. However, one of them would be true,
- >while the other would not.
-
- This is true, but it ignores the fact that a person who considers such a
- question will feel compelled to act as if the coin is heads or tails.
-
- Is it 'wrong' to act as if the coin lands heads, barring evidence to the
- contrary? Is it wrong to act as if the coin lands tails, barring evidence to
- the contrary?
-
- One thing I have found, however, is that the simple belief that there is or is
- not a God is not provable, and further, that belief,and that belief alone, does
- not force a gain or loss of knowledge.
-
- (A person may have a secondary belief that DOES enforce a gain or a loss of
- knowledge . . . but it is NOT the belief that there exists a god that causes
- this, it is the additional baggage they are bringing along with it.)
-
- What it DOES allow for, however, is another secondary set of beliefs that
- may or may not be desirable. . .
-
- As I said in the thread started by unbeliever, there are some things you
- can not arrive at solely through logic; in fact, I believe that there are
- some things that are, of necessity, independent of logic. . . or at least
- require some form of leap from logic. It is by such a leap that a person must
- determine whether or not there is a god. . .
-
- And, if there is a good, wise, and powerful god, there must be a way for
- any given person to find the way to make that leap.
-
- John
-
-
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