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- From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
- Subject: Re: Unbe Awakens
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.205046.9271@data-io.com>
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- References: <1gon3eINN2cl@gap.caltech.edu> <Dec17.214029.51006@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <1992Dec18.020221.10366@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:50:46 GMT
- Lines: 71
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- Liralen reads the following with her eyes growing wider and wider...
-
- In article <1992Dec18.020221.10366@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- > "But myths have power precisely insofar as they illustrate
- >perceived truths in a way which mere factual reporting doesn't.
-
- "I've been going at this all ass-backwards." she mumbles to herself.
-
- >To say that a work of fiction
- >influenced one's morals is to say that something within it wasn't
- >fiction-- or, since that's a clumsy way to use the word, to say that
- >something in that story was _true_.
-
- She nods. A use of the word 'true' that she can definitely agree with.
-
- [quote from Orson Scott Card, _Maps in a Mirror_]
- > `All storytelling contains elements of the particular, the
- >epic, and the mythic. Fiction and scripture are both uniquely suited
- >to telling mythic tales, however, because by definition fiction is
- >_not_ tied to particular people in the real world, and by definition
- >scripture is perceived by its believers to be the universal truth
- >rather than being merely and particularly true, the way history is
- >usually received. That fiction and scripture are also inevitably
- >epic, reflecting values and assumptions of the community out of which
- >they arose, is true but not terribly important, for their audience
- >_believes_ mythic stories to be universal and, over time, comes to
- >behave as if they _were_ universal.
-
- "And that is the basis of all religions," she says softly, "Myth alongside
- a system of morality to explain it. I guess all along I've been trying to
- argue that the particulars of the mythology *don't* matter to the validity
- of a religion, and getting stuck all wrong in an argument about what is
- 'truth'. Most religions share a central core of 'truth' of which the
- particulars don't really matter, anyone can believe that the particulars
- are true/false (can't be proven) and they are the ones that don't
- *matter*, it's the universal truths that matter in the end..."
-
- "But those truths can't be 'proven' either," she says, sighing softly,
- "Other than in their commonality across much of humanity."
-
- "Up to this point, Michael, you've mostly only pointed out the particulars
- of various religions that might cause them to call each other 'wrong'.
- There are also a lot of 'rights' that all religions share because of that
- commonality of what grabs people and tells them that a myth is True.
- Courage in adversity, sacrifice for what is right, honesty and trust,
- responsibility for those that need the help, harming none except in need,
- and striving to always touch perfection. NOT that you've denied the
- above, in fact, I think you noted to StM that there is a lot of
- commonality. But I guess I'm trying to stress that commonality as opposed
- to the particular differences..."
-
- "This last Sunday, on the day of the children's Christmas Pagent, the
- deacon/lay leader of the service got up and said, 'May you celebrate this
- season with joy, give thanks for what you have and remember those who have
- none. For this is the first day of Chanukah.' She then went on to tell
- the story of Chanukah, about how a king had taken over the land, and how
- the king had suppressed the religion by killing those that wouldn't
- convert. So most did. How a tribe (the Jacobees?) rose up against that
- king and with ferocity and guerilla warfare and the conviction that they
- were right in what they did, took back the lands all the way to
- Jeruselum. When they had taken it back, they cleaned up the mostly
- wrecked Temple and worked to rededicate it to their God. However, they
- only had enough holy oil for one day's light in the lamps of the temple.
- So they filled the lamps, lit them, and the lamps lasted for eight days.
- The eight days of Chanukah. She ended with the words, 'May we enter the
- new year with a better understanding of our commonalities than our
- differences with others. Happy Chanukah.'"
- --
- Phyllis Rostykus | "... and how you feel can make it real | - _US_
- aka Liralen Li | Real as anything you've seen | Peter
- li@Data-IO.com | Get a life with this dreamer's dream." | Gabriel
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