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- From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
- Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.022712.13030@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- References: <1992Dec21.221328.29662@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> <1992Dec22.022237.16012@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Dec22.140533.24016@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:27:12 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.140533.24016@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec22.022237.16012@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
- >|> In article <1992Dec21.221328.29662@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
- >|> >In article <237@spchsys.spchsys>, jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley) writes:
- >|> > Most of the Jed-haters hate being told that there are
- >|> > divine laws which they do not like; for example, laws against fornication.
- >|>
- >|> To bad you don't know what fornication means. Before ramming the bible down
- >|> our throats perhaps you should read a biblical commentary. The word
- >|> fornication is derived from the name of the archs where prostitutes hung
- >|> out. Saying not to visit prostitutes is not the same thing as saying not
- >|> to have sex outside of marriage.
- >
- > Sounds like you just took religion 101. You sound like I did when
- > I was a student. You are ruled by your hormones and you develop an
- > ethic to support it.
- > I know what fornication means - It is from the
- > Greek word "pornia", which, curiously enough, is where we derive the
- > term "pornography".
-
- I'll see if I can find the reference to it meaning prostitution. It was
- in a book of line by line biblical commentary.
-
- > It stands for all impure sexual
- > relationships. Read Hebrews 13:4 - The marriage bed is undefiled,
- > but the pornia God will judge. It is your own self-serving ethic
- > which says that fornication is only going to prostitutes.
-
- The book was written by biblical scholars not by myself. I'm an atheist
- and it only matters to me when it comes to debating. I'm basically
- a utilitarian when it comes to ethics. If sex increases happiness then
- it is right.
-
- >|> Questions of the existance of God aside why should I take a messenger
- >|> seriously who hasn't even taken the time to understand his own religion?
- > Jed is one of the most well-learned men you will meet. He knows not
- > only the Bible, but is extremely well-learned on history.
-
- I'll post the exact statement and a list of the authors when I get a chance
- to look it up again.
-
- >|> > not accept the message because I do not like the messenger. Okay, the
- >|> > loss is yours and your excuse won't help you on judgment day.
- >|>
- >|> Your threats won't change reality.
- >
- > I make no threats. The question you have to grapple with is:
- > "What is reality?" "Is there an absolute ethic, or can I 'roll my own?' "
-
- There may be a "best" ethic however like everything else in reality it can
- only be discovered through thought and expermentation. Old books have no
- more authority than anything else. The ethics in the four Gospels are in
- close agreement with systems of ethics arrived at by secular phylosophers
- (sp?). However the rest of the bible has ethics worse than those practiced
- by most street gang members.
-
- >|> >Examine the Bible and repent (which means to
- >|> > turn from your ways and surrender to God's ways).
- >|>
- >|> But if the bible is the word of God surrendering to what fundementalists
- >|> demand would be to go against God. The Gospels are quite clear, if I was
- >|> to become a Christian tomorrow I wouldn't be ashamed about having sex with
- >|> another man, I would be ashamed that I had not given all my money to the
- >|> poor.
- >
- > Even nature teaches that homosexuality is wrong. A little
- > anatomical analysis will reveal this in about five seconds.
-
- And thinking a while longer will reveal that this is overly simplistic.
- There are many possibility from:
- Natures birth control
- to
- The Queer uncle theory
-
- > The question is, "Does God care?" Yes, He destroyed Sodom and
- > Gomorrah because of it. Read Romans chapter 1. And Hebrews 13:4.
-
- And raping guests had nothing to do with it? No one is saying that rape
- is ok.
-
- > There is a way of forgiveness and the power to do right
- > for the Christian. Repent now, and God will help you step out.
-
- And join those others 6 feet under who finally committed suicide when God
- would not "cure" them of the "terrible curse of homosexuality"?
-
-
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