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- Subject: JEWS -- JESUS -- AND JED!
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- Date: 22 Dec 92 20:03:14 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.174147.21047@samba.oit.unc.edu>, danielg@med.unc.edu
- (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:
-
- > I want to add that your position seems to make out
- > Christ and the Christian message a bit foolish, i.e. if there are other
- > ways to God, then Christ was a bit of an idiot to needlessly die a
- > horrible death. Why didn't he just point us to Tao? Perhaps you are
- > familiar with this argument.
-
- This is, of course, the subject of much debate. When the "Dead Sea Scrolls"
- are finally published and made available to the public this question may
- be answered. Some speculate that Jesus was a member of a Jewish splinter
- group. Jesus was the victim of the politics of his day. He pushed the
- Jewish leaders a bit too far by his claims of being the Son of God. They
- (and the Romans) rewarded him for his efforts.
-
-
- > You must admit, however, that the
- > exclusivity of the gospel (Jesus the only way) *is* a doctrine that is
- > clear and uncontested in the Christian scriptures, yes?
-
- Isn't this the definition of Christian Religion? It's no surprise that he's
- the "only way" given the religion.
-
- > Also, you seem to
- > think that other religions are older. However, don't forget that
- > Christianity is actually the Jewish religion continued
-
- "Continued" or "perverted"? It depends upon whom you speak with. Christians
- see it as a continuation. Jews see Jesus not as a Prophet but as a loss. To
- them, he was just one of many, many people who have claimed down through the
- years to be the Messiah. The difference with Jesus, to the Jews, is that
- Jesus has a substantial following. This, however, does not change the fact
- that the religion originated about 2,000 years ago. If it truely were older,
- why don't you honor the sabbath on sundown FRIDAY through sundown SATURDAY
- the way God intended? Why don't you refrain from eating the meat non-cloven
- hooved animals such as pigs? Why don't you celebrate Passover? Jesus did.
- He was celebrating it when he was arrested.
-
- So whether Christianity is a continuation of Judaism is a matter of opinion.
-
- - Jesus being the
- > Jewish Messiah and all, so please include the Jewish heritage of
- > Christianity when estimating the age of the faith.
-
- The Jews do not consider Jesus to be the Messiah; and rightly so, for he
- did NOT fulfill the profecy. He was not the Messiah for which they wait.
-
- Now THIS is a topic I'd like to see JED discuss. He should know that we
- students HUNGER for a DEEPER topic than just whether we are sluts/whores
- whoremonger/sinners. We wanna see that THEORY courses.
-