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- From: joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: The Bible As A Rorschach
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.032822.3098@arden.linet.org>
- Date: 2 Jan 93 03:28:22 GMT
- References: <38kb02Uf30UF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <1992Dec30.234815.25495@arden.linet.org> <76031@apple.apple.COM>
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- In article <76031@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec30.234815.25495@arden.linet.org> joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
- >
- >You'll have to either specify which atheists you are talking about
- >or define 'so convinced' then, because the level of conviction
- >varies from one atheist to another.
-
- the ones that are convinced there is no God.
-
- >>The point (and suggestion) was that the apostles fudged the story of the
- >>Christ and his ressurection. We would not be talking about "Shiites dieing
- >>for their faith" but we'd be talking about people dieing for something
- >>they knew was a lie or comprimised truth. BIG DIFFERENCE.
- >
- >Nevertheless, I don't think it is so well established that people
- >would not die to defend a fudged story that martyrdom can be
- >used as proof that a story wasn't fabricated. More precisely, I
- >would want to see very convincing evidence that people will never
- >die to defend a fabricated story before I would consider such an
- >argument to be compelling.
-
- True I could be wrong. I just can't see the motive. I could see maybe
- one or prehaps even a couple of related insane acts like that but not 15.
-
- >>There is only one reality. Someone is wrong (be they atheist or Christian or
- >>muslum).
- >
- >Do you have a compelling argument that there is only one reality, or
- >are we meant to take the assertion on faith?
-
- hmmm actually no. Just personal observation. Science is devoted to
- that subject isn't it? Seeking the true nature of things over the perceived
- one? Once people said reality was a flat world that the universe revolved
- around. Later we found out reality was something quite different.
-
- this could get quite messy but *I* see it as the root of the issue. Atheism
- presents one reality while Christianity (at least for me) presents another.
- The way I see it, toss out the philosophical 'perspective' crap then only
- one is right (or both are wrong).
-
- >I think one can go further than this. Given that God knows what sort
- >of interpreters we are, he must be a lousy communicator.
-
- assuming it was not intentional........
-
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