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- From: onar@hsr.no (Onar Aam)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.085532.15938@hsr.no>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 08:55:32 GMT
- References: <1992Dec29.235318.19058@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Dec30.035933.21189@nmsu.edu> <1992Dec30.123815.655@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Dec30.200003.23391@nmsu.edu>
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- >>>Here the premise is easily disproved by going out and observing
- >>>non-pink elephants. Some Christians make it a bit harder, by making
- >>>their God non-disprovable (exists outside space-time, inaccessible to
- >>>our five senses, etc.) Thus they guarantee that we can't disprove his
- >>>existence, but also guarantee that they can't prove his existence
- >>>either. So we are reduced to using more circumstantial lines of
- >>>reasoning, such as pointing out that the Bible's record of God's
- >>>barbarity plays havoc with the notion of a loving God. Christians
- >>>then usually make additional assumptions ("God must know best") to
- >>>save their premises. So I think it is reasonable to conclude doesn't
- >>>exist, but that's not the same as disproving him--how can you disprove
- >>>something that has been defined in non-disprovable terms?
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- >>But hat about using reasoning on the premises? They don't bother as they
- >>conclude them to be axioms?
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- >I think so. For example, take the question of God's justice. The
- >Bible records many acts of God that would be deemed wicked, had a
- >human committed them. Since the Christian takes God's justice as
- >axiomatic, you'll likely hear a response like "it just seems unjust,
- >but because God knows so much more than we do, and is, by definition,
- >just, his actions must be just too." (An interesting thing to do is
- >to read the Book of Job from the Bible. Job makes no bones about God
- >being responsible for injustice, and complains about it at great
- >length; God's reply is basically that as the Almighty, he can do as he
- >wills.)
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- In all worldviews which are somewhat skewed from reality there will always be
- defencesystems to sustain this skew. In christianity some things are defended
- through circular argumentation. Ex.
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- 1. God is always right
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- 2. If God by any chance should be proven false then statement 1 is automatically
- activated.
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- In some extreme beliefs Satan is the ultimate defence system. Everything which
- *seems* incoherent is merely the confusion of Satan.
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- It is interesting to notice that mentally disturbed people clearly also have
- defence systems to sustain irrational beliefs. Religion in general can therefore
- be said to be a form of disequilibrium in the brain, but strangely as it may
- seem, this disequilibrium seems to be the "normal" state of the mind.
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- Onar.
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