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- From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
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- Subject: In Job, Lucifer was proved right!
- Date: 30 Dec 1992 12:23:41 -0600
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- parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish) writes:
- > Satan was the one coming before God accusing Job of only serving God
- > for the cash, land, camels, sheep, etc. So, to prove Satan wrong He
- > allowed Satan to rake Job over the coals. It wasn't so much to punish
- > or torture (as you put it) Job, as to put Satan in his place. ...
-
- Job is a much more subtle and interesting story than most
- Christians realize. Because the plot does not well serve
- simplistic morals, many Christians tend to forget how the story
- goes (assuming they had ever read it in the first place).
-
- In the story, after his last tribulation, when Job is suffering
- disease, loss of loved ones, and poverty, he curses and rebukes
- Yahweh. Yahweh gets pissed off at Lucifer -- because Lucifer had
- fooled him or because Lucifer was correct about Job? -- and
- restores Job to health, familial love, and wealth. Only then
- does Job once again sing his god's praise.
-
- Oh, the morals that can be drawn from this story! Lucifer was
- proved right about Job and Yahweh wrong. Does this mean that we
- should take Yahweh's attitudes about how people are and what they
- can be with a grain of salt? Does the story show that Yahweh
- does not know as much about the people he created as he thinks he
- does?
-
- It is also curious that Yahweh gets pissed off at Lucifer rather
- than Job after Job curses him. Does this mean that Yahweh
- realized he had been unfair to Job? (What does this say about
- some of the other ways the Old Testament records Yahweh treating
- people? Perhaps Yahweh's followers should not accept his
- treatment so blindly.) Job is restored to good graces despite his
- ultimate disloyalty. Perhaps the moral is that one should only
- take so much shit from one's god before complaining.
-
- Any of these conclusions are consistent with the tale. But the
- story does *not* support the typically Christian conclusions:
- that Lucifer was wrong (in the story, he was right), that Yahweh
- knows what will happen (in the story, he didn't), and that one
- should always be loyal to Yahweh (in the story, Job wasn't).
-
- Russell
-