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- From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
- Subject: Re: I.Q. & Brains
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.051751.22583@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:17:51 GMT
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- In <2934730199.1.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
-
- >Paraphrased from The Effect of Intelligence on Religious Faith, Burnham
- >P. Beckwith, _Free Inquiry_, Spring 1986:
-
- [...studies purporting to show inverse relationship between intelligence
- and religiosity deleted...]
-
- > Conclusions
- > In this essay I ahve reviewed: (1)sixteen studies of the
- > correlation between individual measures of student intelligence and
- > religiosity, all but three of which reported an inverse
- > correlation. (2) five studies reporting that student bodies with high
- > average IQ and/or SAT scores are much less religious than inferior
- > student bodies;(3)three studies reporting that geniuses (IQ 150+)
- > are much less religious than the general public (Average IQ, 100),
- > and one dubious study,(4)seven studies reporting that highly
- > successful persons are much less religious in belief than are others;
- > and (5) eight old and four new Gallup polls revealing that
- > college alumni (average IQ about 115) are much less religious in
- > belief than are grade-school pollees.
-
- > I have also noted that many studies have shown that students
- > become less religious as they proceed through college, probably in
- > part because average IQ rises.
-
- > All but four of the forty-three polls I have reviewed support
- > the conclusion that native intelligence varies inversely with
- > degree of religious faith; i.e., that, other factors being equal,
- > the more intelligent a person is, the less religious he is. It
- > is easy to find fault with the studies I have reviewed, for all
- > were imperfect. But the fact that all but four of them
- > supported the general conclusion provides overwhelming evidence
- > that, among American students and adults, the amount of religious
- ^^^^^^^^
- > faith tends to vary inversely and appreciably with intelligence.
-
- These studies were done of Americans, so presumably most of the
- religious people tested (where religion is not stated) were Christian.
- However, these results may be culture-specific and cannot be used to
- come to any conclusions about intelligence-religiosity correlations in
- non-American Christian societies or, of course, in non-Christian
- societies. As I explain more fully in my reply to your posting in the
- "iq<->religion: connection?" thread, these results could also be
- explained by the more intelligent people in society being more willing
- to oppose the viewpoint against the majority (which, in the American
- studies, would be Christianity). If this were the explanation, then in
- a predominantly atheist society, one would find a positive correlation
- between religiosity and intelligence.
-
- [...stuff deleted...]
-
- >Are there highly intelligent Xians? Most certainly, but they do not
- >apply their reasoning to religion. Perhaps the best hypotheses to
- >explain the phenomenon of the intelligent professing deep religiosity are
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- By "deep religiosity" are you specifically referring to Christianity
- here, or religiosity in general? I think you are definitely casting
- your net too wide if you mean *all* religiosity (as the set of all
- religions is a very, very large set).
-
- >1) Ignorance. Intelligence does not imply correct information.
- >2) Compartmented personality. The scientist and the prayer-maker never meet.
- >3) Knavery. The statement of belief is a sham to serve another purpose.
- >4) Fear of censure by friends and family.
- >5) Delusions or insanity.
-
- While you may consider these possible reasons, there are plenty of
- further possible reasons.
-
- You forget about the possibility of a religious experience or
- mystic experience specific to the person who experiences it. Such an
- experience may give a specific individual the rational reasons to be
- religious. However, such a person's reasons, while rational to him/her,
- cannot be sensibly challenged by others as they have not had the same
- experience as s/he did.
-
- Fred Rice
- darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
-