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- From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.022223.21802@jcnpc.cmhnet.org>
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- References: <1992Dec28.115512.22667@prime.mdata.fi>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:22:23 GMT
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- Iikka Paavolainen (iikkap@mits.mdata.fi) wrote:
- : In article <1992Dec28.071210.1149@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) write
- s:
- : >In article <1992Dec19.224717.1993@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikk
- a Paavolainen) writes:
- : >>Am I seeing wrongly, or is there a connection between one's IQ and one's
- : >>religiousness? Of all people I know, I know only about 8 exceptionally smar
- t
- : >>people (IQ>125), and all of them happen to be atheists. On the contrary, th
- e
- : >>dumbest people I've seen (eg. unable to use a remote control) are the most
- : >>religious. Observing other atheists that I don't know (from this group for
- : >>example) leads me to make a conclusion that on the average, atheists have a
- : >>much better sense of logic (and thus usually have a higher IQ) and think mu
- ch
- : >>more clearly than religious people. From my own experiences, I can say that
- : >>freeing oneself from the grasp of religion requires a certain level of logi
- cal
- : >>thinking. Coincidentally, all these 8 people are mathematically gifted.
- : >>When I speak of atheism here, I mean it to be a lack of belief in any god o
- r
- : >>superstition.
- : >>Opinions?
- : >>
- : >>BTW, if this offended you, go to a church instead of coming to alt.atheism.
- : >>--
- : >> __/|_ , ,--------------------------------------------------------------,
- : >>/o \/:--| Iikka Paavolainen / iikkap@mits.mdata.fi, in Espoo, Finland |
- : >>\__~__/\:--| "I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." |
- : >> ` ` `--------------------------------------------------------------'
- : >
- : >Ah, here's the first post in the series. Well, old bean, in this
- : >first post you didn't:
- : >
- : >tell us the size of your sample (later you say it's 1000)
- :
- : You really aren't so stupid that you think the sample was 8?? I don't know
- : the sample myself, but as I stated, every person I've met.
-
- Of course we're that stupid!! That's what you told us.
- Another logical, non-emotional, non-inflamatory responsed brought to you by
- Iikka Paavolainen.
-
- :
- : >
- : >tell us how you prevented any bias from creeping into your
- : >observations (oh, that's right, you're not biased at all. Yeah,
- : >right, give me a break)
- :
- : I'm not biased to anything. Just a matter of self-control.
-
- Iikka is biased to hir own superiority.
-
- :
- : >
- : >tell us how the sample was selected
- :
- : That is told in the post.
-
- The super-smnart 8 people, that you denied you mentioned, or the 1000 people
- (more or less) that you used "mass elimination" (whatever that is) upon?
-
- :
- : >
- : >tell us how you determined degree of religiousness, and IQ, for the
- : >1000 person sample you later refer to
- :
- : By talking to them and making observations.
- : How else?
-
- So, what's my IQ?
-
- :
- : >
- : >etc.
- : >
- : >Do you see what I am getting at now?
- : >
- : >At most, tentative observations like this should prompt us to see if
- : >such a correlation exists. In and of itself, this just doesn't cut it
- : >as a "proof" of your correlation, not without a lot more to back it
- : >up. This isn't a bedtime story, you can't just make sweeping
- : >generalizations on the basis of such flimsy evidence. Ah, but I
- : >forget, my emotional commitment to decent intellectual standards and
- : >fairness have blinded me to the Gospel as propounded by Iikka
- : >Paavolainen.
- :
- : If you look at the post, you see no "sweeping generalizations" or anything
- : passed as a hard fact. Get real.
-
- Your entire post has lacked hard fact.
-
- :
- : >
- : >It still seems to me that this correlation is just being used as a
- : >convenient device to dismiss theists with the wave of a hand. Ad
- : >hominem all the way.
- :
- : Your personality has defined ad hominem very well.
-
- Another logical, non-emotional, non-inflamatory response brought to you by
- Iikka Paavolainen.
- --
- Mike McAngus | As if I needed Another time consuming hobby.
- (mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org) |
- The Truth is still the Truth | This Post exploits illiterates.
- Even if you choose to ignore it. |
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