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- From: sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.034149.15606@nmsu.edu>
- Sender: usenet@nmsu.edu
- Organization: New Mexico State University
- References: <1992Dec29.141114.11620@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Dec29.161139.13531@nmsu.edu> <1992Dec29.234646.18912@prime.mdata.fi>
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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:41:49 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.234646.18912@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec29.161139.13531@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec29.141114.11620@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Dec28.210152.19416@arden.linet.org> joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
- >>
- >>
- >>
- >>>Seems that Stephen Doe has done us all a favor by warping the subject very
- >>>badly. Here are the facts:
- >>>
- >>>1) I have NOT made any theses or hard statements, thus I am indifferent
- >>>2) This was meant as a poll for opinions, NOT an argument
- >>>3) I can believe that some people are offended, but then say what your
- >>>opinion is, DON'T flame me.
- >>
- >>I have a hard time believing you don't have an emotional attachment to
- >>your thesi--I mean, "sincere observation." Does the fact that it is
- >
- >You really are bitching as much as you can. I'm glad I don't have such an
- >attitude.
-
- You're the man who began the flame fest. Live with it.
-
- >>only a sincere observation mean you don't need to back it up? Does
- >>that mean we are assholes for pointing out that your pre-conceptions
- >>*might* have an effect on your observations.
- >
- >And when did I call you an asshole? And why can't your pre-conceptions work
- >on your opinions?
-
- Obviously they can. Unlike you, I am aware of it and attempt to
- correct for it.
-
- >>
- >>My opinion, Iikka, is that 1) IQ is probably not as good a measurement
- >
- >"The greatest thing psychologists have ever made."
-
- Why? Because it's an ego boost for you?
-
- >>as you think 2) you have a huge emotional attachment to your position,
- >
- >Sorry, but you haven't given me any proof/evidence to think otherwise,
- >that's why my current stand is what it is. Nothing to do with emotion.
-
- The proof is your flames in response to my original post, in which
- you evince great hostility when I question how you reach your
- conclusions.
-
- >>blinding you to the possibility that even people as intelligent as
- >>yourself may arrive at a different belief--I think you need this
- >>notion of atheistic superiority to bolster your self image, hence the
- >>hostility to those of us who pointed out any weaknesses in your
- >>position.
- >
- >I can't help it if the facts are hard. "Hostility"? You think I am hostile
- >if I am not you in every opinion?
-
- *Your* anecdotal evidence wasn't hard! Jim Tims did a much better
- job, when he posted that list of studies in support of this
- correlation.
-
- Is it possible you *still* don't see the weakness of using anecdotal
- evidence?
-
- You were hostile when you dismissed my concerns on the potential of ad
- hominem dismissal of the religious position. Go back and read your
- response, and tell me it didn't sound snide and condescending.
-
- >>
- >>You could have saved yourself from getting flamed, if instead of going
- >>on about my "emotional attachment" to Christianity, and other absurd
- >
- >I still find it ridiculous, even humorous, for you to take that statement
- >as an insult. Maybe a weak excuse to start insulting me?
-
- It was an insult because you used it to dismiss my concerns on this
- matter, instead of rationally discussing the topic.
-
-
- >>and insulting statements that anyone interested can see for themselves
- >>in your previous posts, you had answered my posts rationally. I think
- >
- >And how would've I had to respond if I wanted to respond rationally?
-
- Gee, let's see how rational these responses are:
-
- "This is not a bedtime story, and you are not (hopefully) a child."
-
- "Must you have everything handed to you on a dish?"
-
- "Try using your brain for a change."
-
- Etc., etc.
-
- >>most of us can see that your anecdotal evidence is a load of crap, and
- >>that your criticism of my saying so has just been one long ad hominem
- >>attack. You've done a lot to show that atheists can be just as
- >>irrational when it comes to deeply held beliefs as any theists.
- >
- >Does it give you a good feeling when you bash someone? You aren't doing
- >much more.
-
- Don't project your shortcomings onto me. It probably gave you a
- sneaky tittilating rush to start this flame fest.
-
- SD
-