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- From: sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe)
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.191117.6992@nmsu.edu>
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- Organization: New Mexico State University
- References: <1992Dec28.003534.15314@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Dec28.015302.19206@nmsu.edu> <1992Dec28.112747.22088@prime.mdata.fi>
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:11:17 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.112747.22088@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec28.015302.19206@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
-
- >>
- >>Why are you so hostile to those who disagree with you?
- >
- >Dream on. I never attack anybody emotionally. Last time I did that 8 years ago.
-
- More like 8 minutes ago. Go back and read some of your replies to me.
-
- >>>If you don't find my experiences significant, why don't you have some experien-
- >>>ces for yourself. This isn't a thesis or anything, just a sincere observation.
- >>>Anybody saying that my 'thesis' is not substatiated or sounds stupid, can say
- >>>what they want, because I don't have a thesis.
- >>>So what if you prove that intelligence has no effect on atheism? Easy?
- >>
- >>Well, my experiences happen not to match yours, which is what caused
- >>me to question this position.
- >
- >You are evading the question again.
-
- How? By questioning your methodology? What is so wrong with that?
-
- >>
- >>Do you always get so angry when someone happens to disagree with you?
- >
- >I never get angry. Seems you must be losing some sleep because of this matter.
-
- No, you just speak of their "emotional attchment" to the contrary
- position and dismiss them.
-
- >>>So why on earth are you demanding a definition of intelligence, when you are
- >>>giving one yourself?
- >>
- >>*I* am demanding the definition, not Mike.
- >
- >That doesn't change the point. Why don't you bash Mike because he doesn't
- >happen to agree with you in everything.
-
- Because unlike you, he is capable of rationally discussing this issue.
- i have yet to se him use statements like "Use your brain for a
- change," insults which your posts give us superabundant examples of.
-
- >>>And? How true have you found the christians beliefs to be? Did you not use
- >>>intelligence to deduce your conclusion?
- >>>I am just getting more and more support for the original idea.
- >>
- >>I don't think they are true at all.
- >>
- >>I am getting more support from you for *my* original idea, which is
- >>that this supposed correlation between intelligence and lack of
- >>religious belief boils down to an ad hominem attack on those you
- >>disagree with. I wouldn't stand for it from a Christian, and I won't
- >>stand for it from you.
- >
- >Have you just learnt the words 'ad hominem' or why are you using it so vainly?
- >You seem to have a very hard time answering the questions.
-
- Ad hominem seems to be your principal tool of debate, which is why
- I've been pointing it out so much.
-
- >>
- >>In my original post, I merely voiced concern over the potential ad
- >>hominem nature this argument can take. For this I get flamed by you?
- >
- >Tell me how I flamed you, first. BS describes your replies.
-
- BS seems to describe your thesis. Oh I'm sorry, sincere observations.
-
- >>
- >>I think you are confusing criticism of your *conclusions* with
- >>criticism of your *methodology*. Please, if you are going to make
- >>such sweeping generalizations in the future, make sure you don't
- >>use such sloppy methodology.
- >
- >I'm sorry, but I won't let people like you stop rational conversation.
-
- I'd like to see you start one. For a change.
-
- >>
- >>SD
- >
- >Look up at the post, and see what you wrote. Consider the starting point of
- >this thread and look where this has degenerated. You seem to have slight
- >attitude problems. Everybody would be better off if you didn't post anymore.
- >If you do, trim the messages.
-
- *I* have a slight attitude problem? Who was the first to speak of his
- oppponent's "emotional attachment?" My first post was a very
- reasonable comment on the potential ad hominem nature of this whole
- thread, which you responded to with hostility and condescension. It
- seems to me that your replies have become somewhat less than rational.
-
- SD
-