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- From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.115512.22667@prime.mdata.fi>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 11:55:12 GMT
- References: <s!V=jTC@engin.umich.edu> <1992Dec19.224717.1993@prime.mdata.fi> <1992Dec28.071210.1149@nmsu.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec28.071210.1149@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec19.224717.1993@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
- >>Am I seeing wrongly, or is there a connection between one's IQ and one's
- >>religiousness? Of all people I know, I know only about 8 exceptionally smart
- >>people (IQ>125), and all of them happen to be atheists. On the contrary, the
- >>dumbest people I've seen (eg. unable to use a remote control) are the most
- >>religious. Observing other atheists that I don't know (from this group for
- >>example) leads me to make a conclusion that on the average, atheists have a
- >>much better sense of logic (and thus usually have a higher IQ) and think much
- >>more clearly than religious people. From my own experiences, I can say that
- >>freeing oneself from the grasp of religion requires a certain level of logical
- >>thinking. Coincidentally, all these 8 people are mathematically gifted.
- >>When I speak of atheism here, I mean it to be a lack of belief in any god or
- >>superstition.
- >>Opinions?
- >>
- >>BTW, if this offended you, go to a church instead of coming to alt.atheism.
- >>--
- >> __/|_ , ,--------------------------------------------------------------,
- >>/o \/:--| Iikka Paavolainen / iikkap@mits.mdata.fi, in Espoo, Finland |
- >>\__~__/\:--| "I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." |
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- >
- >Ah, here's the first post in the series. Well, old bean, in this
- >first post you didn't:
- >
- >tell us the size of your sample (later you say it's 1000)
-
- You really aren't so stupid that you think the sample was 8?? I don't know
- the sample myself, but as I stated, every person I've met.
-
- >
- >tell us how you prevented any bias from creeping into your
- >observations (oh, that's right, you're not biased at all. Yeah,
- >right, give me a break)
-
- I'm not biased to anything. Just a matter of self-control.
-
- >
- >tell us how the sample was selected
-
- That is told in the post.
-
- >
- >tell us how you determined degree of religiousness, and IQ, for the
- >1000 person sample you later refer to
-
- By talking to them and making observations.
- How else?
-
- >
- >etc.
- >
- >Do you see what I am getting at now?
- >
- >At most, tentative observations like this should prompt us to see if
- >such a correlation exists. In and of itself, this just doesn't cut it
- >as a "proof" of your correlation, not without a lot more to back it
- >up. This isn't a bedtime story, you can't just make sweeping
- >generalizations on the basis of such flimsy evidence. Ah, but I
- >forget, my emotional commitment to decent intellectual standards and
- >fairness have blinded me to the Gospel as propounded by Iikka
- >Paavolainen.
-
- If you look at the post, you see no "sweeping generalizations" or anything
- passed as a hard fact. Get real.
-
- >
- >It still seems to me that this correlation is just being used as a
- >convenient device to dismiss theists with the wave of a hand. Ad
- >hominem all the way.
-
- Your personality has defined ad hominem very well.
-
- >
- >SD
- >
- >
-
-
- --
- __/|_ , ,--------------------------------------------------------------,
- /o \/:--| Iikka Paavolainen / iikkap@mits.mdata.fi, in Espoo, Finland |
- \__~__/\:--| "I won't have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent." |
- ` ` `--------------------------------------------------------------'
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