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- From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.115039.22563@prime.mdata.fi>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 11:50:39 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.044250.11398@nmsu.edu> sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >You have IQ scores on 1000 people? You have an accurate idea of how
- >religious every one of these 1000 people are? If you've done such a
- >study, great, tell us more. But I hope these are not just
- >"impressions" you have gained from casual observations.
-
- Being very interested in psychology, I like to 'analyse' people I meet. Using
- the method of elimination on the masses is an easy process.
-
- >>Proof of this 'intelligence' in Luther et al.
- >>You must define intelligence for yourself to be able to state this.
- >>You are bashing yourself with your own words.
- >
- >Pot. Kettle. Black.
-
- If you originally thought out your actions, you wouldn't be at a loss of words.
-
- >>No thanks. Only to a person who does something with them.
- >
- >Why are you afraid to do this? Afraid we'll steal your thunder? If
- >it's at all rigorous, then it is just the substantiation your
- >position needs.
-
- So much work.
-
- >>Anybody saying that my 'thesis' is not substatiated or sounds stupid, can say
- >>what they want, because I don't have a thesis.
- >>So what if you prove that intelligence has no effect on atheism? Easy?
- >
- >So we're not to ask for any kind of rigorous substantiation because
- >you haven't presented a "thesis", just some "sincere observations."
- >
- >Is it possible you still don't see the fallacy of your position?
- >
- >You've basically admitted here you have no real proof of your
- >position. But of course, it's still rational to take your position.
- >That's the sort of "reasoning" most of us live to disabuse Christians
- >of, you know.
-
- Correct. I *don't* have any real proof. "Sincere observations" don't require
- hard proof. You've been imagining thing all along.
-
- >>And? How true have you found the christians beliefs to be? Did you not use
- >>intelligence to deduce your conclusion?
- >>I am just getting more and more support for the original idea.
- >
- >The point of this discussion is that we are not going to hold you to
- >more lenient standards than we would hold a Christian to, if they made
- >the same sort of arguments in favor of a correlation between
- >intelligence and Christianity. You seem to admire scientists very
- >much, why don't you go learn how a real scientist would attempt to
- >show if your correlation existed?
-
- You still didn't answer the question.
-
- >
- >SD
- >
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