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- From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: is it necessary to hate?
- Message-ID: <12213@kesson.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 21:57:56 GMT
- References: <3401.2B38AE26@catpe.alt.za>
- Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK
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- Same old story. Some people never learn. Oh well.
-
- In article <3401.2B38AE26@catpe.alt.za> Steve.Hayes@p0.f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes) writes:
- > Kent Sandvik said to All
- > KS> Christianity has had its dark ages when the evangelism effort of the
- > KS> good message had produced very aggressive and cruel actions. [...]
- >
- >True indeed. But atheism has also had its dark ages. Just consider the
- >last 70 years or so in the USSR, where some 20 million people perished
- >because they failed to understand the only way to universal happiness.
-
- No. They perished because they recognised what was being sold as the
- way to universal happiness as a way to almost universal misery. There
- were but a few who understood some things about universal happiness, too.
- They were eliminated first, as being the most dangerous.
-
- Now to the point. What do those 20 million have to do with atheism?
- After all, a considerable part of them were atheists themselves. Of
- those who weren't, I doubt that any perished for that very reason.
-
- >Of course you could say that that wasn't your brand of atheism, but I
- >could equally well say that the other wasn't my brand of Christianity.
-
- There is only one brand of atheism. There may be degrees of unbelief in
- gods (see the strong/weak atheism dichotomy), but atheism never
- entails any norms of behaviour. High time for you theists to get this.
-
- Atheism says nothing about what actions you may take towards others.
- Atheists have to look elsewhere for this kind of directions.
-
- >The most we can say is that some people feel that it is necessary to
- >hate, and whether they are Christians or atheists seems to make very
- >little difference.
-
- Yes, but, unlike atheists, all Christians are meant to share a number
- of beliefs about the world. If it can be shown that Christianity in
- itself actually leads people to believing that violence in certain
- circumstances is advisable or even justifiable, then it will make a
- huge difference.
-
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- `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
- Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu) Gospel)
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