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- From: Stephen.H.Voss.2@nd.edu (Stephen H. Voss)
- Subject: Re: Why I'm such a shit
- Message-ID: <Stephen.H.Voss.2.4.0@nd.edu>
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- Organization: University of Notre Dame
- References: <ogorman.724939459@unix1.tcd.ie> <85798@ut-emx.uucp>
- Distribution: alt.angst
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:47:09 GMT
- Lines: 101
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- In article <85798@ut-emx.uucp> llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
- >From: llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
- >Subject: Re: Why I'm such a shit
- >Date: 24 Dec 92 18:26:18 GMT
-
-
- >first, i should explain that i have a screwy newsfeed and that i get
- >things via a news-to-mail gateway set up for me by a friend, but
- >sometimes there are delays in that. sigh. and i guess my server being
- >prone to weirding out doesn't help the gateway, either. so i have read
- >access on nyx and can catch up on stuff there, but it's hard to keep
- >up sometimes.
-
- >so i've been reading the whole duke explaining to the rest of us why
- >we're intellectual midgets thread tonight, and i can't capture any of
- >it cause i'm on a lab terminal and not at home. so i have to work from
- >memory.
-
- >it seems to me that what duke wants to recreate/create here is a
- >coffeehouse atmosphere, where we all sit around clutching well-thumbed
- >copies of Important Books and feeding each other our pet concepts. you
- >know, the sorts of conversations where you say one of my trigger words
- >and i blurt out my set piece on the subject, and that in turn triggers
- >you to say something... it's like picking tracks on a cd with a remote
- >control, intellectual dicksizewars that don't have any relation to
- >life. there i'd have to agree with you: what's the fucking point?
-
- >okay, beyond duke's basic claim that i'm stupid and dull (which i
- >think we've all heard, dear, no need to reiterate endlessly), we have
- >the claim that this group isn't about angst, not in an intellectual
- >way. and this accusation is made by a man who, when he's put up
- >against the wall by someone who's actually read the authors duke
- >quotes, backs down into saying he's only familiar with the fiction of
- >these paragons of angst. my, how intellectual.
-
- >i gave up insight as a contact sport years ago. i can talk about
- >philosophy; i've done the reading. but how many times can you define
- >angst before it gets boring? how many times can you trot out the same
- >names and say the same things about their works?
-
- >so i talk about my life. i talk about the things that happen to me,
- >about the way i'm trying to fight my way out of feeling that life
- >doesn't fucking matter, of the way i'm trying to create meaning in my
- >life. for god's sake, the whole point of existentialism *wasn't* that
- >life doesn't matter. it was that life contains only the meaning you
- >choose to give to it. what's being espoused here is nihilism. sheesh.
- >i'm writing about anti-nihilism, being as honest as i can about my
- >struggles.
-
- >and then i'm told (not by duke; i forget who said it) that i'm not
- >genuine, that the things i say aren't really about pain or whatever
- >the feeling i'm talking about is. i'm really glad to be informed about
- >that. it makes me feel so much better to know that when i posted about
- >how the bottom had dropped out of my world and how i couldn't breathe
- >for fear of the pain, that wasn't real. what's the complaint? that i
- >like for the words i use to convey precisely the pictures i see in my
- >head and so i choose them carefully? that i'm not bleeding publicly
- >enough? i've got the trauma, but i like to think my past is mine. i
- >choose to share it with people i want to trust with that part of
- >myself.
-
- >who the fuck died and made duke the judge of what's real and what's
- >good? i'm so fucking tired of being argued about. it's pointless. i've
- >gotten enough mail telling me to ignore duke and his intellectual
- >masturbation (someone else's words, not mine, btw) that i'll probably
- >do that. if whoever reads this really thinks i'm infecting this group
- >with some virulent strain of sentimentality and tripe, then join duke
- >in putting me in your kill file and fucking off.
-
- >it's been pointed out to me that something i've said must have hit a
- >major nerve somewhere to trigger this onslaught. i dunno. i just know
- >that it's been a shitty month (a move, a breakup, a death, an
- >epiphany, a cinderella experience) and i don't need this. it's
- >stupid. and of *course* not evverything i write is good. jesus fucking
- >christ, is *anyone* *always* on? gah.
-
- >this whole thing is just so disgusting. maybe duke should propose a
- >split in alt.config, to alt.angst.philosophy and alt.angst.experience,
- >maybe.
-
- >bleah. just bleah.
-
- >--
- >sine | deb
- >or perhaps we should just have a cfv on my continued
- >existence here.
-
-
- i don't get much of that. it does sound fascinating, really. but i just
- don't get it.
- my question is (in really concrete terms) what varieties of angst are you
- experiencing? what alternatives are in the running with them?
- and perhaps just as important, what did the lady in the nightgown really do?
-
- yours truly,
-
- voluptua love
-
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- Stephen H. Voss
- University of Notre Dame
-