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- From: llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
- Newsgroups: alt.angst
- Subject: Re: Why I'm such a shit
- Message-ID: <85798@ut-emx.uucp>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 18:26:18 GMT
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- first, i should explain that i have a screwy newsfeed and that i get
- things via a news-to-mail gateway set up for me by a friend, but
- sometimes there are delays in that. sigh. and i guess my server being
- prone to weirding out doesn't help the gateway, either. so i have read
- access on nyx and can catch up on stuff there, but it's hard to keep
- up sometimes.
-
- so i've been reading the whole duke explaining to the rest of us why
- we're intellectual midgets thread tonight, and i can't capture any of
- it cause i'm on a lab terminal and not at home. so i have to work from
- memory.
-
- it seems to me that what duke wants to recreate/create here is a
- coffeehouse atmosphere, where we all sit around clutching well-thumbed
- copies of Important Books and feeding each other our pet concepts. you
- know, the sorts of conversations where you say one of my trigger words
- and i blurt out my set piece on the subject, and that in turn triggers
- you to say something... it's like picking tracks on a cd with a remote
- control, intellectual dicksizewars that don't have any relation to
- life. there i'd have to agree with you: what's the fucking point?
-
- okay, beyond duke's basic claim that i'm stupid and dull (which i
- think we've all heard, dear, no need to reiterate endlessly), we have
- the claim that this group isn't about angst, not in an intellectual
- way. and this accusation is made by a man who, when he's put up
- against the wall by someone who's actually read the authors duke
- quotes, backs down into saying he's only familiar with the fiction of
- these paragons of angst. my, how intellectual.
-
- i gave up insight as a contact sport years ago. i can talk about
- philosophy; i've done the reading. but how many times can you define
- angst before it gets boring? how many times can you trot out the same
- names and say the same things about their works?
-
- so i talk about my life. i talk about the things that happen to me,
- about the way i'm trying to fight my way out of feeling that life
- doesn't fucking matter, of the way i'm trying to create meaning in my
- life. for god's sake, the whole point of existentialism *wasn't* that
- life doesn't matter. it was that life contains only the meaning you
- choose to give to it. what's being espoused here is nihilism. sheesh.
- i'm writing about anti-nihilism, being as honest as i can about my
- struggles.
-
- and then i'm told (not by duke; i forget who said it) that i'm not
- genuine, that the things i say aren't really about pain or whatever
- the feeling i'm talking about is. i'm really glad to be informed about
- that. it makes me feel so much better to know that when i posted about
- how the bottom had dropped out of my world and how i couldn't breathe
- for fear of the pain, that wasn't real. what's the complaint? that i
- like for the words i use to convey precisely the pictures i see in my
- head and so i choose them carefully? that i'm not bleeding publicly
- enough? i've got the trauma, but i like to think my past is mine. i
- choose to share it with people i want to trust with that part of
- myself.
-
- who the fuck died and made duke the judge of what's real and what's
- good? i'm so fucking tired of being argued about. it's pointless. i've
- gotten enough mail telling me to ignore duke and his intellectual
- masturbation (someone else's words, not mine, btw) that i'll probably
- do that. if whoever reads this really thinks i'm infecting this group
- with some virulent strain of sentimentality and tripe, then join duke
- in putting me in your kill file and fucking off.
-
- it's been pointed out to me that something i've said must have hit a
- major nerve somewhere to trigger this onslaught. i dunno. i just know
- that it's been a shitty month (a move, a breakup, a death, an
- epiphany, a cinderella experience) and i don't need this. it's
- stupid. and of *course* not evverything i write is good. jesus fucking
- christ, is *anyone* *always* on? gah.
-
- this whole thing is just so disgusting. maybe duke should propose a
- split in alt.config, to alt.angst.philosophy and alt.angst.experience,
- maybe.
-
- bleah. just bleah.
-
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- sine | deb
- or perhaps we should just have a cfv on my continued
- existence here.
-