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- From: johnsd2@jec324.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson)
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
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- Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
- References: <2mVHuB5w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:51:13 GMT
- Lines: 113
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- In article 2mVHuB5w165w@kalki33, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us () writes:
- >johnsd2@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:
- >
- >> You could silence most of them by posting this proof, I think.
- >
- >Oh, SURE!
-
- Well, we'd read the proof and then start spewing forth
- objections to it. But at least THESE threads would die.
-
- Or I hope so.
-
- >> You haven't proved ANYTHING about evolution. You do not even
- >> address it slightly.
- >
- >Ok. Here you go: Dear evolution, rest in pieces!
-
- :)
-
- Who could ask for anything more?
-
- >> >> Heck, we don't even KNOW you need a planet to have life- you need
- >> >> one to get life like us, but what's so special about that?
- >> >
- >> >I agree with this statement. It is not necessary to have a planet to
- >> >have life. In fact, matter is not neccessary for life.
- >>
- >> Depends what you mean by life. But you may be right; matter
- >> is required for life as we know it, but what else may be possible,
- >> who can tell..
- >
- >Yes, who can tell... Our point is that there is someone who CAN tell,
- >and we follow his definition of life.
-
- Whose that? That the Lord of the Invisible Pink Unicorns?
-
- > The definitions of life given by
- >reductionistic science are not able to account for many of the
- >properties of life.
-
- You only list one (which I dispute anyway, see below), which !=
- many. What else besides conciousness?
-
- > One glaring deficiency of reductionism is in the
- >area of consciousness, which is certainly a property of "life as we know
- >it" but cannot be shown to follow from any known physical laws.
-
- Can't it? I see no reason why it ->CANNOT<-, it only after all
- requires a pile of appropriately initialized neurons and suchlike
- (plus a support system and all that garbage); I have yet to
- see any evidence that this is not enough. I have evidence that
- this at least CONTRIBUTES to the business, as physically damage
- the brain impares the mind of the brain's owner. (If you dont
- believe me, get yourself a frontal lobotomy. :) )
-
- But I have a more fundamentaly objection yet: Who says "conciousness"
- is a property of "life"? That seems to imply that ALL life is concious,
- which does not seem to be the case, unless you limit life a lot. I prefer
- to include things like viruses (virii?) and plants, which do not
- exhibit conciousness as near as I can tell.
-
- >> My name's Dan, actually, not prabhu.
- >
- >"prabhu" simply means "dear sir" or "master" in Sanskrit. It is a
- >respectful form of address.
-
- Oh ok. I do not speak Sanskrit, alas. (perhaps I should, it has a charming
- name at the least) so speaking to me in that language will do little good.
-
- >> >There are books about information theory, probability, statistical
- >> >mechanics, molecular biology, etc. I simply can't state all the
- >> >derivations of everything I refer to here. Some of it just has to be
- >> >taken for granted. You have to assume that some scientist out there will
- >> >scream if I do something wrong.
- >>
- >> I will so assume- but I will also scream sometimes if I see something
- >> amiss. I see no reason why I cant babble too. :)
- >>
- >> Also to nag you to get that proof posted. THAT will shut the lot
- >> of us up. All 412,123,322 threads. :)
- >
- >No problem! I am a little upset that I have to wait for permission to
- >post the stuff too. But we should follow the copyright laws.
-
- I am not asking you to post a verbatim copy, but rather a summary.
-
- If you turn out to be unable to get the idea across to us (I remember
- you saying you didn't feel qualified to present his), then you can post
- the verbatim copy. In the mean time it will give us something to chew
- on. Better then trying to dispove your book by means of its table of
- contence! :)
-
- >Sincerely,
- >Kalki "What, me worry?" Dasa
-
- Oh, my congradulations on the amazing volume of posting you've put
- out. I rather suspect your tapeworm has been helping you out with
- that.
-
- (say Hi to him for me, btw.)
-
- Oh, now I gotta question for you. Is your tapeworm schizophrenic?
- I mean, does it have a multiple-personality disorder. Ive heard
- it said here that you aren't one Kalki but rather an entire platoon
- of Kalkii. I'd like to reconcile this with the previous "tapeworm
- theory", if I can. :)
-
- ---
- - Dan Johnson
- And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0
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