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- From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Subject: Re: Information in a system.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.171040@IASTATE.EDU>
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- Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- References: <1992Nov14.160720@IASTATE.EDU> <9LPDuB14w165w@kalki33> <1992Nov17.171957@IASTATE.EDU> <1992Nov18.104221.28986@hsr.no>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:10:40 GMT
- Lines: 45
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- In article <1992Nov18.104221.28986@hsr.no>, onar@hsr.no (Onar Aam) writes:
- >>> start generating 60hz, 117 VAC!
- >>
- >> the computer runs on AC, but the creatures do not. They are virtual data
- >>structures, and as such exist only in theory: they have no form and thus use
- no
- >>energy.
- >>
- >
- >Uhhm... I don't quite agree with you on that. The structures are for real, but
- >they are independent of the medium and dimensions in which they occur. That's
- >what information is all about. If I continue your logic then the information in
- >genes doesn't "really" exist. Genes are merely a bunch of atoms. See?
-
- Yes, but the information in genes is not effected by the ATP cycle. Likewise,
- the creatures generate information by selection, but they use the AC power only
- to hold their representation: it does not provide information to the system.
-
- >Information
- >is by nature an abstract concept.
- >Also the order which arose in your program is very much associated with
- energy.
- >In computers a clockcycle of the processor is associated with an energy unit.
- >(Hence the frequency of the processor is associated with the effect) The order
- >in your program probably did not arise immediately since the process towards
- order
- >is iterative. So instead of spending energy directly, it spent processor time
- >which in this case is roughly equivalent with energy.
-
- Well, yes. But then one can say that the laws of physics are "processor time"
- that "generates information" too. Kalki seems to be arguing that since the
- computer was made by an intelligence, the universe was made by an intelligence.
-
- However there doesn't seem to be any reason not to take it one step further
- and say "Since the computer was made by humans, the universe must have been made
- by humans."
-
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