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- From: varney@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Al Varney)
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Organization: AT&T
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:55:17 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.065517.19342@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
- References: <1992Nov13.064229.19291@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> <LZ78TB16w165w@kalki33>
- Sender: Al Varnet <varney@ihlpl.ih.att.com>
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- In article <LZ78TB16w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >varney@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Al Varney) writes:
- >
- >> Have you also calculated the probability of the watchmaker being
- >> formed without a designer, without guidance? If not, does that mean
- >> someone/something designed the watchmaker? And would that designer
- >> be even more complex than the watchmaker? What is the probability
- >> of your EXACT God coming into existence without a designer?
- >>
- >> Or are these areas we're not allowed to ponder/investigate?
- >
- >Indeed, ponder it.
-
- I have -- lots. It seems that it would take a designer even
- more complex than GOD to design GOD, and this designer would
- require an even more complex designer, etc. Where does it end?
-
- So the possibilities I've come up with are:
- 1) The Universe was not created, but always "was" -- or it was
- created from nothing at the Big One.
-
- 2) GOD was not created, but always "was" -- or was created from
- the Big One.
-
- 3) The assumption that GOD needed a more complex designer is
- incorrect, and 1 or more simpler designers created GOD.
- Even less complex designers created those designers, etc.
- The initial designers were created from ???? (I don't know
- -- the Big One???)
-
- None are really satisfactory from a "feels right" point of view.
- And 3) leads to the question of why only one GOD -- would the
- designers KNOW he/she/it was perfect, even if they weren't?
- Were all but one destroyed by the designers, or did the surviving
- ONE destroy all the others?
-
- Between 1) and 2), it seems like a coin toss. If GOD could
- always "be", why couldn't the Universe? Are they really stating
- the same thing: GOD IS the UNIVERSE and the UNIVERSE IS GOD??
- If they're not the same, why is 2) easier for some to accept than 1)?
-
- Of course, maybe I missed some other possibility ... or maybe
- the question doesn't make sense....
-
- AL Varney
-