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- From: btd@iastate.edu (Benjamin T Dehner)
- Subject: Re: I reinterate my blender request
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- Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:08:23 GMT
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- In <7632@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> bobb@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Robert W Bales) writes:
-
- [ ... discussion between L. Tun and C. Colby about mistake in computer program
- and game ...]
-
- >I remember reading once of a study in which people were asked to identify
- >objects as pictures of them were slowly brough into focus. Those who made an
- >incorrect identification early did not get the object correct until later
- >(with the object more in focus) than those who didn't. Similarly, isn't it
- >possible that a description that conflicted with that of the game might not
- >have been enough to dislodge the wrong identific. Could it be that Lionel
- >is not familiar enough with the details of the game that the description
- >sounded wrong? Could it be some other possibilty which would allow an
- >honest person to be honestly confused?
-
- >>Thank you for once again demonstrating how entirely morally and
- >>intellectually bankrupt you creationists are.
-
- >"I'm sorry sir, but we're going to deny you a security clearance"
-
- >"Why?
-
- >"Our information is that you are morally bankrupt."
-
- >"WHAT??!"
-
- >"Yes. It seems that back in 1992, you confused the names of two computer
- >programs."
-
- >It seems on the net that creationists are not able to be confused, make a
- >mistake, see things differently, or draw different conclusions from the
- >evidence. Stupid and unlearned though we are, it seems that we are held to
- >be immune from such common failings. Since we obviously see immediately the
- >absolute truth of what is told us in this group, if we offer a differing
- >opinion, it *must* be due to our hidden adgendas, bigotry, lying natures, and
- >moral and intellecual bankruptcy. :-) :-) :-)
-
- Extraodinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The creationists
- claims imply that all (or most) modern understanding of physics, astro-
- phyics, biology and chemistry (to name a few) is somehow awry. All that we
- ask is a consistent theory that provides explanation of where what we think
- we know is wrong, and how to do it right.
- Instead, all we get is repitition of long-refuted arguements, backed
- by evasion, ad-hoc attacks ("evilution"), misunderstanting of the theories
- they claim to contest, irrelevant theological and philosophical digressions,
- and in some cases outright lies [e.g., the ICR].
- It perhaps sad but true that many of the regular contributors to
- this group long ago got tired of trying to distinguish between honest
- stupidity and the deliberate types mentioned above. It becomes worse when
- confronting someone who is known to use these tactics. (I remember the
- 'consequences of evolution' thread started by L. Tun a few months back.)
- Creationist, if you want to gain any respect, come up with a viable
- alternative to evolution and associated thoeries. Keep in mind, however,
- that the current theories have grown over 100's of years of research with
- millions of man-hours put in by thousands and thousands of scientists all
- over the world, with expertise in MANY areas of science. Unless you want
- to start shouting 'conspiracy', which will get you promptly flamed, you
- had better move slow and carefully when confronting such a body of combined
- effort. One of the few organizations which claims to do this, the ICR, has
- shown itself to be composed of "hidden agendas, bigotry, lying natures, and
- moral and intellecual bankruptcy."
-
- >>It must be a neverending source of joy to meander through your little fantasy
- >>world where supernatural beings are mixed up in the affairs of humans
-
- >Would Chris present evidence that supernatural involvement occurs only in a
- >fantasy world? It could be that the world without supernatural involvement is
- >the fantsy world.
-
- It has been empirically determined that supernatural involvement
- does not occur. How? Simple -- all modern theories of the physical
- world predict observable quanties without the intervention of a super-
- natural entities. These observable quanties are measure to be the
- expected values, thus the theory was most likely correct in not invoking
- the supernatural.
-
- > Bob Bales
-
- Ben
- "but the powers that be will never hear your voice, because they're lost in
- their own importance" -- Uriah Heep
-
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- Benjamin T. Dehner Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
- btd@iastate.edu Iowa State University
- Ames, IA 50011
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