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- From: bobb@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Robert W Bales)
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: In case Bales has convinced you of his honesty...
- Message-ID: <7630@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>
- Date: 18 Nov 92 02:20:36 GMT
- Sender: news@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM
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- Reality check III:
-
- In previous postings, Jim Meritt has implied that he would view agreement with
- as providing evidence for my side. But his subject here implies that anyone
- who agrees with me is wrongly convinced. Which is it?
-
- Jim Meritt writes:
-
- >The first on the list is a question that has been asked in talk.origins
- >MANY times other than just as part of this list. I have never seen
- >an answer. Has anyone?
-
- The first on the list is the contention that creation is scientific. This
- is what Jim recently made his "one case" about. I responded to this with
- two articles, the second of which contained answers to the questions from
- previous postings. I know that Jim saw them because he responded to them.
-
- For instance, the first question is:
-
- What observations support creationism?
-
- I said that observations of the fossil record support creationism. This is an
- answer. Similarly, I gave specific answers to the other questions.
-
- When Jim uses "answer," he apparently means "an answer that Jim agrees with."
- This, of course, is a bogus definition. In terms of whether I have answered
- the above question, "answer" means "observations which Bob thinks support
- creationism." It is a matter of open record in this group that I have given
- such observations in a posting -- one to which Jim responded. Thus, his
- statement thathe has seen no answers to the questions, while it may be true
- according to his strange definition of "answer." is objectively false.
-
- >I'll be glad to delete things from the list that someone OTHER than Bales
- >claims (with justification/specifics) that he has accidently answered
- >something listed.
-
- Whether or not I'm answered the questions depends not on what anyone else
- claims, but on what I've posted. I have said main times that I have not
- answered all questions (due to lack of time and the quick-changing nature
- of discussions). But I have answered some on his list. *Therefore, the
- inclusion of such questions is factually inaccurate.* A good example is the
- following.
-
- >He hasn't covered a LOT of recent items (like "how do 5 isochrons give the
- >same date", "how does argon get INTO an object in vacuum", "what is the
- >evidence for an old universe that you keep mentioning" and more.
-
- On about Septeber 24, I posted a refutation of a number of items in Jim's
- list, including *specifically* the above. If Jim responded, I didn't see
- the response. He may not have seen my ~Sept. 24 article. If he didn't, I
- will be glad to repost it. In any case, the assertion above is flat wrong.
-
- >(Like "How do things diffuse INTO a rock FROM a vacuum?")
-
- And repeating this is silly, especially if Jim did see my article mentioned
- above. I explained there that I did not say this, stated what I did say,
- and provided evidence -- including a statement from someone else on the net,
- as Jim seems to value -- that what I said was correct. (Even if Jim did not
- see this particular article, I have shown this before in articles I know --
- based on his response -- he has seen.)
-
- Bob Bales
- Tektronix, Inc.
-
- I help Tektronix make their instruments. They don't help me make my opinions.
-