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- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.220823.130566@zeus.calpoly.edu>
- From: skroger@zeus.calpoly.edu (Seth L. Kroger)
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:08:23 GMT
- References: <1992Nov9.172025.7605@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <q8m3TB6w165w@kalki33>
- Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
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- kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >smullins@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott H Mullins) writes:
- >> Oh, absolutely. What with the selection pressure of antibiotics the bacterium
- >> that cause syphilis and gonorrhea are just disappearing, right? :-)
- >> Is it purely by chance that these and other diseases treated with
- >> antibiotics are producing resistant strains?
- >
- >I'm not sure I can read through the sarcasm. Do you mean to say that,
- >despite the pressure of the alleged mechanism of "natural selection"
- >(or, sarcastically, "unnatural selection") organisms can and do survive?
- >And that if organisms do change, it is not by "random mutation" but is
- >instead a somehow intelligent response to the environment?
-
- No, the organisms survive because of natural selection. As I pointed out in
- a responce to your previous post, mutation happens beforehand, and a number
- of mutant genes are availible. A certian number of bacteria will have genes
- confering resistence to antibiotics (but not all). When the antibiotics
- hit, natural selection works on the existing variation in bacteria. Those
- without resistence get killed, while those that do, survive. The survivers
- will have a much greater proportion of resistant bacteria among them,
- producing a resistant strain of bacteria. The change in this poputation of
- organisms is through random mutation and natural selection, not an
- "intelligent responce" to the environment.
-
- >I am willing to discuss the theory of evolution on its own terms, by
- >using its own premises and definitions. I am convinced that there are
- >serious flaws in the theory, that the flaws are contained in the
- >premises, and that the flaws can be exposed by deducing false
- >conclusions from the premises.
-
- I would be happy to have such a discussion.
-
- >Kalki Dasa
-
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- | Seth Kroger "If God made us in His image we |
- | skroger@pan.calpoly.edu have certianly returned the |
- | Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo compliment." -Voltaire |
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