home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Path: sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!lking
- From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
- Subject: The K and Poverty of Imagination (was Re: Probability of Evolution)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.204205.13730@athena.mit.edu>
- Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system)
- Nntp-Posting-Host: locke.mit.edu
- Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
- References: <1992Nov13.014928.13749@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> <4q58TB10w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:42:05 GMT
- Lines: 36
-
-
-
- Kalki "so the computer built itself, right?" Dasa:
-
-
- What's so outrageous about the universe "building itself"? Why is this
- any more difficult to believe than "a dvine and all-powerful, all-knowing
- being created everything in the universe, but NOTHING CREATED THIS BEING!"
-
- Well, if you've got to believe something, I think it should be something
- for which the untestable component of that belief is minimized. God may
- be a simple assumption in terms of efficacy of explanation (i.e. one
- proposition explains everything: "God dit it!"), but the import of this
- `catch-all' assumption is staggering and problematic ... who or what created
- this God? If nothing/nobody, then why postulate it in the first place?
- If it created itself, why shouldn't similarly complex entities (i.e.
- humans, ecosystems) be autopoetic?
-
- So a simple and old question which no one has yet answered to the benefit
- of religious belief:
-
- ... if the universe doesn't give rise to autopoetic systems, then who created
- who what-ever does give rise to them?
-
- ... in short, who, or what, created God?
-
-
- Kalki, no one is denying that systems of inference and knowledge accumulation
- have to rest upon some untestable epistemic and ontological hypotheses, however
- provisional. Given this, the goal is to minimize the untestable charater of
- these premises. The argument is that your system of belief raises more questions
- than it offers the potential of answering. Why should we buy into it?
-
-
- Loren King
- MIT
-