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- From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:26:59 GMT
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- In article <2m38TB5w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- |> igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
- |>
- |> > In article <JNi2TB2w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- |> > > The book demonstrates that by adopting the hypotheses of the theory
- |> > > of molecular evolution, it must follow from these hypotheses that there
- |> > > is an extremely tiny --virtually infinitesimal-- probability that a
- |> > > living cell could have arisen by random molecular combination under
- |> > > natural selection, even given a period of time much longer than the
- |> > > estimated age of the earth.
- |> >
- |> > So what? If I take a pack of cards (let's make it a Tarot deck, so the
- |> > numbers are larger!) and shuffle it, the chances of that sequence
- |> > occurring are 1 in 78! Now thanks to the ever-wonderful CMU Common
- |> > Lisp, I can evaluate that:
- |> >
- |> > 11324281178206297831457521158732046228731749579488251990048962825668835325234
- |> >
- |> > Roughly 1 in 10 to the 115. Now by most people's measurement, that's a
- |> > rather small possibility. But I only had to do it once to achieve that
- |> > result!
- |>
- |> Yes. So you agree with us that it takes an intelligent being to create
- |> the conditions under which a particular configuration of matter
- |> --distinct from other configurations-- can arise. This must be true,
- |> since you shuffled the deck, and we are supposing that you are an
- |> intelligent being.
-
-
- Don't be silly! You could replace him with a mechanical shuffler and the
- probabilities would be the same.
-
-
- |>
- |> > My father could generate 2^23 distinct sperm. My mother could produce
- |> > 2^23 distinct ova. Therefore, the chances of my existing are (2^23)^2,
- |> > or 2^46. Now that's not such a large number: 1 in 70368744177664. But
- |> > my parents are the product of the same chance. My father is only one of
- |> > the 70368744177664 children his parents could have produced, my mother
- |> > likewise, and I likewise of them. So that allows us to cube the number
- |> > to 348449143727040986586495598010130648530944 before we even worry about
- |> > the chance of them meeting. And their parents. And their parents.
- |>
- |> Again, then, you agree with us that life comes from life, since, as you
- |> say, it was your parents who produced you.
-
-
- Fine, but are you suggesting that life can come from some "higher" form of life,
- instead of life on its own ontological level? If you're saying that "life comes
- from life" well, fine, but it seems to me you're not. Rather you're saying
- "terrestrial life comes from Divine life", which in my mind is just as fuzzy, and
- logically more difficult to defend than saying it arose out of biochemical
- processes. In my mind, the latter is an easier proposition to falsify or
- confirm to many people than your divine hypothesis, which in fact cannot be
- confirmed or falsified.
-
-
- |>
- |> Sincerely,
- |> Kalki "Show me a program without a programmer" Dasa
- |>
- |>
- |> -------------------------------------------------------
- |> | Don't forget to chant: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna |
- |> | Krishna Krishna Hare Hare |
- |> | Hare Rama Hare Rama |
- |> | Rama Rama Hare Hare |
- |> | |
- |> | Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA |
- |> | (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us) |
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- Loren "show me a logical religious argument without a contentious and
- untestable, unverifiable fundamental divine postulate" King
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