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- From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.180414@IASTATE.EDU>
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- Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- References: <fjr1=8c@rpi.edu> <T048TB9w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:04:14 GMT
- Lines: 51
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- In article <T048TB9w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >johnsd2@vccnw01.its.rpi.edu.its1 (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:
- >>>> Please be real. To model even the simplest organic reactions mathematic
- >>>> is intractable. (I assume p107 of the book you referred to earlier)
- >>>Well then the proposal of molecular evolution that life arose from
- >>>reactions between simple organic molecules cannot be demonstrated, can
- >>>it? And if it cannot be demonstrated, then all claims that it actually
- >>>occurred are premature, aren't they? And if one believes it occurred,
- >>>then one does so on faith alone, right?
- >>
- >> This has nothing to do with evolution. That's abiogenesis. Evolution
- >> talks about live developing from other life, not "simple organic molecules"
- >
- > Oh? Then what does the following statement by Watson mean?
- >
- > "We see not only that the laws of chemistry are sufficient for
- > understanding protein structure, but also that they are consistent with
- > all known hereditary phenomena."
- >
- > "Complete certainty now exists among essentially all biochemists that
- > the other characteristics of living organisms (for example,... the
- > hearing and memory processes) will all be completely understood in terms
- > of the coordinative interactions of small and large molecules."
- >
- > From The Molecular Biology of the Gene (pg. 67)
-
- Please read my quote again. I said "intractable" not "impossible". If you
- think you are up to working out the math, be my guest. See you in a few years
- (if not decades).
-
- >> It does not bode will for you disproof of evolution that you do not know
- >> what evolution is, Kalki. Cris Colby (FAQmaster Extraordinare) recently
- >> posted some FAQs you should probably read, to prevent this sort of faux-pas.
- >
- >Yeah, yeah, we all know you pseudo-scientists are terrified of losing
- >your grants.
-
- Oooh. Were are so impressed with your clever reparte that we are all swarming
- to join your side.
-
- Insults are not considered valid responses unless they contain a proper
- response within them. 2 pts for Norman.
-
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