home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Path: sparky!uunet!destroyer!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!kv07
- From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Subject: Kalki continues to miss the point (surprise, surprise)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.172443@IASTATE.EDU>
- Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System)
- Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
- Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
- References: <BxLLEA.DBK@fulcrum.co.uk> <2m38TB5w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:24:43 GMT
- Lines: 54
-
- In article <2m38TB5w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- > igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
- > > So what? If I take a pack of cards (let's make it a Tarot deck, so the
- > > numbers are larger!) and shuffle it, the chances of that sequence
- > > occurring are 1 in 78! Now thanks to the ever-wonderful CMU Common
- > > Lisp, I can evaluate that:
- > > 113242811782062978314575211587320462287317495794882519900489628
- > > 25668835325234
- > >
- > > Roughly 1 in 10 to the 115. Now by most people's measurement, that's a
- > > rather small possibility. But I only had to do it once to achieve that
- > > result!
- >
- > Yes. So you agree with us that it takes an intelligent being to create
- > the conditions under which a particular configuration of matter
- > --distinct from other configurations-- can arise. This must be true,
- > since you shuffled the deck, and we are supposing that you are an
- > intelligent being.
-
- You completely missed the point. It doesn't matter if the picker is
- intelligent. It doesn't even matter if it is made by intelligence. Look, the
- probability that the nine planets in the solar system fell into the exact order
- they did is one in 362880. Not an astronomical number (pardon the pun), but
- large. So we live in an improbably solar system. Wow.
-
- > > My father could generate 2^23 distinct sperm. My mother could produce
- > > 2^23 distinct ova. Therefore, the chances of my existing are (2^23)^2,
- > > or 2^46. Now that's not such a large number: 1 in 70368744177664. But
- > > my parents are the product of the same chance. My father is only one of
- > > the 70368744177664 children his parents could have produced, my mother
- > > likewise, and I likewise of them. So that allows us to cube the number
- > > to 348449143727040986586495598010130648530944 before we even worry about
- > > the chance of them meeting. And their parents. And their parents.
- >
- > Again, then, you agree with us that life comes from life, since, as you
- > say, it was your parents who produced you.
-
- That is not the point he is making. Is English your native language? If so,
- have you graduated from junior high yet? This is such a profound
- misinterpretation of what was being said, I don't think it is possible to get at
- the basic concepts you seem to be missing without filling this message with
- several megs of text.
-
- Suffice it to say that he is not talking about life from life, but
- probabilities. The argument he gave has nothing to do with life.
-
- | __L__
- -|- ___ Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub
- | | o | kv07@iastate.edu
- |/ `---' Iowa State University
- /| ___ Math Department
- | |___| 400 Carver Hall
- | |___| Ames, IA 50011
- J _____
-