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- From: TMakinen
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.170046.27086@nic.funet.fi>
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- References: <BxLLEA.DBK@fulcrum.co.uk> <2m38TB5w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:00:46 GMT
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- In article <2m38TB5w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- >> So what? If I take a pack of cards (let's make it a Tarot deck, so the
- >> numbers are larger!) and shuffle it, the chances of that sequence
- >> occurring are 1 in 78! Now thanks to the ever-wonderful CMU Common
- >> Lisp, I can evaluate that:
- >>
- >>
- 11324281178206297831457521158732046228731749579488251990048962825668835325234
- >>
- >> Roughly 1 in 10 to the 115. Now by most people's measurement, that's a
- >> rather small possibility. But I only had to do it once to achieve that
- >> result!
- >
- >Yes. So you agree with us that it takes an intelligent being to create
- >the conditions under which a particular configuration of matter
- >--distinct from other configurations-- can arise. This must be true,
- >since you shuffled the deck, and we are supposing that you are an
- >intelligent being.
-
- That is the most stupid comment I've ever heard.
- If I understood right, you (pl.) are saying, that the main point is that some
- conscious being shuffled the deck so that some combination appeared. That was
- the most insignificant part of the demonstration. In fact, a random generator
- using the radioactive decay could be used to shuffle the deck. And don't say
- that the generator was made by a conscious being. Nobody put the random numbers
- inside, and they are the only input to the shuffling device. Hey, there are a
- lot of chaotic phenomena in the nature, they can easily be used to shuffle the
- deck.
-
- A better example is a cup of distilled water. If the exact microstate of the
- system is measured (within the restrictions of Heisenberg uncertainty
- principle) , the result is then something. The probability that this result was
- obtained is absolutely vanishing. Still it was measured even on the first
- attempt! I'm a wizard or what?
-
- Although the philosophy behind the quantum mechanics speaks about the relation
- between an observation and the conscious observer, you (still plural?) are
- getting it bloody wrong way round.
-
- Teemu
-