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- From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
- Newsgroups: talk.origins
- Subject: Re: Probability of Evolution
- Message-ID: <uqV9TB9w165w@kalki33>
- Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 14:52:53 EST
- References: <1992Nov13.163256.9310@aurora.com>
- Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
- Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA
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- isaak@aurora.com (Mark Isaak) writes:
-
- > In article <RBL3TB3w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
- > >Simple laws plus boundary/initial conditions [give high information
- > >content]. The issue is, where do
- > >these boundary/initial conditions come from? If they are also solutions
- > >of simple laws, then we will have an infinite sequence of laws, which
- > >means that the totality of physical laws actually has infinite
- > >information content.
- >
- > You seem to be neglecting Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which
- > says that some of the boundary/initial conditions will be forever
- > undeterminable. Suppose, for example, you have a perfect crystal of
- > uranium atoms, and you generate data based on the order in which the
- > atoms decay. Your initial and boundary conditions are about as
- > simple as they come, yet they still generate an enormous amount of
- > information.
-
- Well, if you want to get into quantum interpretations, I suppose the
- argument can never be settled. Of course, quantum scientists are still
- hotly debating the meaning of their own theory. Some of tham say there
- is no objective reality at all!
-
- We are simply asking: what theoretical reasons do molecular
- evolutionists give for supposing that abiogenesis occurred? Then, based
- on one very commonly given reason --that given a certain set of initial
- conditions, the known laws of physics and a few billion years, it is
- "probable" that abiogenesis will occur-- we show that in a model based
- on these assumptions, it is not in fact "probable" that abiogenesis will
- occur. That's all. The fact that our argument raises so much uproar
- indicates to us that there is a great desire to believe that the
- "probable" argument is true, despite the serious objection we have
- raised. This is an unscientific attitude.
-
- > >But that defeats the program of science by placing
- > >forever beyond reach the possibility of finding a unified explanation
- > >for the world. Is it not so?
- >
- > The program of science is not to find a unified explanation for the
- > world. (I, for one, believe that to be impossible.) The program of
- > science is to keep heading in that direction.
-
- Well, this is your opinion. But there are certainly many scientists
- whose stated goal is to find a unified explanation for all natural
- phenomena which will utilize the simplest possible mathematical
- structure and the smallest possible number of postulates.
-
- Sincerely,
- Kalki "the evolution of sarcasm as a scientific method" Dasa
-
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