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- From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
- Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
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- In article <1eq9hqINNfa3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov19.154625.27778@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
- >#In article <1efhvcINNcin@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
- >#>And the problem with all of science is that there are vast numbers of
- >#>completely unreconciled departments all saying apparently contradictory
- >#>things about the universe. Religion is one of those departments.
- >#That's garbage. Religion is not a subset of science(non-empirical.)
- >We are using two different definitions of science (more likely the same
- >definition used in two different ways). I understand science to be
- >equivalent to 'understanding' or 'knowledge'.
- Hmmm...I'm not using it in that sense at all. Science is a specific
- empirical method of finding knowledge. My view is probably closest to
- Popperian.
-
- >Furthermore, religion _is_ empirical. People experience faith, in the same
- >way that they experience sentience. Experience is the only real evidence for
- >either. (i.e. you can't see either of these things under an electron
- >microscope).
- You empirically have faith. The faith is not empirically justified. There
- is a difference. Sure, one can study faith per se. That's usually calle
- something like psychology of religion. But religion does not scientificall
- study the objects of faith(gods, afterlife, etc.)
-
- >Back to science: I have yet to see a scientific theory which explains to me
- >why I should feel so profoundly good when my 3-year old son kicks up the
- >leaves in Munich and sings songs about Santa Claus. Those are some empirical
- >facts which do not fit any conventional science. I can repeat the experiment
- >if you like.
- You really don't seem to understand at all. Merely because some facts are
- unexplained does not make them either unexplainable or somehow
- imply that they don't fit into conventional science.
-
- >All I am saying is "people are strange". They do not follow the laws of
- >cause and effect.
- That doesn't seem obvious to me at all. If I jump off a building, I seem
- to fall, just as a brick would. Similarly, I can show you pretty clear
- evidence that your mind does obey sets of laws. Ever tried conditioning
- yourself?
-
- > I think that people who attempt to superimpose the laws of
- >science and logic on people's behaviour (and equally God's, if she exists)
- >may be trying to subordinate a higher (more complete) system to a lower one.
- I see no reason at all to believe this. There is not a shred of evidence
- to show that human behavior is any less deterministic(not to be confused
- with hard to predict) than the rest of the natural world. You may wish
- to believe that you are somehow not governed by the same material laws
- as everything else but wishing does not make it so.
- -Ekr
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