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- From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
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- Subject: Re: New Catholic Catechism: A first in 426 years
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 16:40:02 GMT
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- In article <92323.233613ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Linda Birmingham <ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
- : Copied from the Globe and Mail, Tuesday November 17, 1992
- : (no deletions, no comments, any spelling errors blame spell check)
-
- : PARIS - The Roman Catholic Church unveiled its first new
- : catechism in 426 years yesterday, upholding church teaching
- : against divorce, abortion and homosexuality but updating the sin
- : of theft to include low wages.
-
- Theft includes low wages? I'd like to see the Vatican
- excommunicate some employer for paying his/her employees low wages
- sometime...
-
- : Here are some excerpts translated by Reuter.
-
- : On Jews
- : The Jews were not collectively responsible for the death of
- : Jesus...
-
- It took nearly 2000 years for them to figure that out???
-
- And how could it be such a terrible thing if his fake death
- counts as substitute punishment for sin? Since he is supposedly God,
- and he supposedly rose from the dead, his "death" is fake, right?
-
- : On the Ordination of women
- : Only a baptized man may legitimately receive Holy Ordination.
- : The Lord Jesus chose men to form the college of the 12 apostles,
- : and the apostles did likewise in choosing the collaborators who
- : succeeded them in their task...The Church acknowledges that it is
- : bound by this choice of the Lord Himself. That is why the
- : ordination of women is not possible.
-
- And is the priesthood limited to Middle Eastern Jews also???
-
- : On various forms of theft
-
- [expanded to include speculation, financial fraudulence, tax
- evasion, laziness at work and so forth...]
-
- It will be news if anyone _ever_ gets excommunicated for any
- of these.
-
- : On abortion
- : Human life must be totally respected and protected from the
- : moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a
- : human being should enjoy the rights of the individual, including
- : the inviolable right of all innocent beings to life...Formal
- : participation in abortion is a grave error.
-
- No proof given. Do those guys have a "soul detector", and did
- they ever use it on some fertilized egg?
-
- : On war crimes and genocide
-
- : On drunk driving
-
- Still waiting to do some excommuncations there also...
-
- : On euthanasia
- : Whatever the means and the motives, direct euthanasia consists of
- : ending the lives of the handicapped, the sick or dying. It is
- : morally unacceptable...
-
- Even if they want to???
-
- I think that a happy death is preferable to a miserable life.
- As long as death is unavoidable, why not make it a pleasant experience
- instead of trying to pretend it doesn't exist?
-
- And why aren't they welcoming the choice of someone who wants
- to get to Heaven early?
-
- : On birth control
- : Methods to regulate birth based on self-discipline and recourse
- : to infertile periods conform to the objective criteria of
- : morality...Any action that, either ahead of the conjugal act,
- : during it or as a result of its natural consequences, envisages
- : as a means or as an end to make procreation impossible, is
- : intrinsically bad.
-
- Oh sure. What are "objective criteria of morality"? And why
- does the Church think this a higher priority than (say) wartime
- atrocities?
-
- : On masturbation
- : Following the line of a constant tradition, both the Church
- : fathers and the moral sense of the faithful have declared without
- : hesitation that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely
- : disorderly act. Whatever the motive, the deliberate use of the
- : sexual faculty outside of normal conjugal relations contradicts
- : the finality of that union.
-
- Sex should only lead to children. Good grief!
-
- And what do these characters have to say about oral sex?
-
- : On pornography
- : It gravely offends the dignity of those who submit to it (actors,
- : distributors, public)..It plunges all of them into the illusion
- : of a make-believe world...
-
- Bull excrement. A lot of those involved don't agree.
-
- "Make-believe world"? Why not complain about the rest of
- literature and movies and so forth?
-
- : On genetic engineering
- : It is immoral to produce human embryos destined to be exploited
- : as though they were disposable biological matter. Certain
- : attempts at engineering of chromosomatic or genetic matter are
- : not therapeutic but are intended for the production of selected
- : human beings according to sex or other pre-established criteria.
- : This engineering goes against the personal dignity of the human
- : being and his unique, unrepeatable identity.
-
- So should the souls be removed from embryos and stored? How
- will that be done?
-
- : On homosexuality
- : Referring to the Holy Scripture, which presents them as grave
- : depravations, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts
- : are intrinsically disorderly. They go against natural law....
- : (Homosexuals) do not choose their homosexual condition; for most
- : of them it is an ordeal. They should be treated with respect,
- : compassion and sensitivity. All manner of unjust discrimination
- : should be avoided with respect to them...Homosexuals are urged to
- : be chaste.
-
- Love the sinner, hate the sin.
-
- I've never had much taste for holier-than-thou rhetoric.
-
- : On artificial insemination
- : Techniques that entail a dissociation of the parents, by the
- : intervention of a person outside the couple (donation of sperm or
- : egg, loan of uterus) are gravely dishonest. These
- : techniques...go against the right of a child to be born of a
- : father and mother known to him and mutually bound by
- : marriage...Practised by the couple themselves, these techniques
- : (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are
- : perhaps less worthy of condemnation, but they remain morally
- : unacceptable...
-
- How? I expected these characters to _endorse_ non-sexual
- techniques of reproduction. After all, sex is _so_ Ikky...
-