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- From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Abortion and humanity
- Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:46:18 GMT
- Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
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- In article <1992Nov21.073246.6630@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- #frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ...
- #> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- #>#How are we going to decide what is a human being and what isn't? You
- #>#assume that anything concieved of people is a person, but that
- #>#assumption has been shown to be largely arbitrary. If I define as
- #>#human anything warm blooded, then your argument could just as well be
- #>#used to argue for equal rights for turkeys (and just in time, too!).
- #>
- #>Every definition has been shown to be largely arbitrary. Your argument is
- #>equally circular, and equally worthless. It could be used, and has been, to
- #>justify the worst atrocities in living memory. Which is worse, letting
- #>turkeys in - or leaving people out?
- #
- #Your assuming (without suitable justification) that any people are
- #being left out.
-
- And you are assuming they aren't! This could go on forever.
-
- #So then, we're left with two equally worthless arguments. You want to
- #make the set larger than do I. Who's right?
-
- The only point I wish to make is that we don't know who's right. Therefore
- to attempt a definitive assertion about foetal personhood is unreasonable.
- The question is undecidable. The correct answer to an undecidable question
- is either to unask it, provisionally accept a guess until proven wrong, or
- find a bigger system in which the question _can_ be answered.
-
- #Maybe we'll have to use some other method of arriving at a concensus.
- #How about one that produces the greatest good while avoiding the
- #majority of the evils?
-
- Well, sure - but you cannot determine this without reference to values, which
- so far have not made an appearance in the debate. "good" and "evil" are
- relative moral terms, too, and while relativity is in, morality is out of
- fashion.
-
- #Ray Fischer
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