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- From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
- Subject: Re: Guilty of (Fill In Th
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- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.064319.134769@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:43:19 GMT
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- In <1992Nov21.024458.18269@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
- >margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes...
- >LM> In <1992Oct30.014531.22679@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.o
- >LM> writes:
- >LM> >I realise that you might find it invidious to "legislate honesty". However
- >LM> >there are many areas where "attitudes" and "honesty" are legislated, namely
- >LM> >"affirmative" action laws, "comparative worth" pay programmes,
- >
- >LM> These laws were passed in response to a verified problem. I've seen no
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >LM> evidence of such a problem in regards to the laws you want passed.
- >
- >
- >I hardly think that the lack of "equality of results" is necessarily inherent
- >proof of systemic discrimination. Read "The Employment Equity Empress Has
- >No Clothes," by Grant A. Brown, for a thorough refutation of the premises
- >behind "affirmative action" laws. (*Someone* is going to call the title
- >sexist, I just *know* it...)
- >
- >Still, the reason I brought up the point, is that in employment situations, we
- >*used* to count on the honesty and the objectivity of employers to hire without
- >bias, and to trust their judgements without having to *force* a judgement upon
- >them.
- >
- >In the case of father notification, we have a case where people have said "Women
- >will generally tell the father, unless there is a genuine problem," and indeed,
- >that "you can't legislate attitudes". This is why I find it so strange that
- >in the former case, we feel it necessary to legislate attitudes and honesty,
- >without it being considered "oppressive," yet in the latter case, many of these
- >same people who yell about having to legislate attitudes, are crying foul.
-
- Can I take it that you have no evidence of a real problem in regards to
- the laws you want passed?
-
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
-